i think kentucky is one of them. >> no, kentucky is big enough to be a state. but that is right, you can't become a state until you reach a certain population. so it creates a territorial status, which is to say that it is an area that is governed by the federal government but doesn't yet have state status. but in the northwest ordinance, when 60,000 people reside in the territory, then they can, you know, gather together and apply for statehood status. this is so unusual. and it's really contrary to, for example, the british model of colonization, because great britain created the colony of -- name your colony, virginia, but it is never going to be a part of great britain. this is permanently a colony. this is a crazy idea to envision -- for a nation made up of states to envision this kind of elastic western boundary, elastic number of states. jefferson here has drawn a map in which new, not yet existing states, outnumber the original 13 states of the united states. what nation would do this to itself? it is a very strange idea, right. it is a very strange ide

it is an hbcu in kentucky. it received a lot of publicity and all this, so people started to talk about dunnigan again, after this book, which was written a long time ago. and it was just amazing, learning all the things about her. you know, dunnigan worked for not one, not two, not three -- but four united states presidents she covered more of the civil rights movement in terms for a reporter than anyone in her era. she was simply phenomenal. you know, now, thinking about the other day if a parent had come here, i was listening to the radio -- i am still the type who listens to the radio sometimes. i was listening, and there was all this controversy about wikileaks and all these different things and the reporters were in a debate. one of the topics was about, well, what is journalism today? what is -- what is a reputable media source? i had to sit, and i had to think. because during the time in which dunnigan worked for the associated negro press, which was like a news agency, they were respected. and that's p

the center college in kentucky, he went to. they called it a law school those days intransylvania and kentucky . kentucky was a border state during the civil war. he sided with the union. had political aspirations, tried to get elected governor twice as a republican after the war but curiously enough, kentucky even though it never seceded went over to the south after the war and became totallydemocratic . harlan had a famous law partner named benjamin verso who served inthe grant administration . and harlan thought bristow would be the perfect candidate for president of the united states and only a republican ticket. after eight years of the grant administration which had a lot of problems and scandals, russo was the guy grant brought in to try to clean up the mess. and the mess in those days was the customs house in new york reduce most of the revenue for the government. it may bristow secretary of the treasury after he had been earlier solicitor general. he was the first solicitor general of the united states. so he must've t

point is hunter college in kentucky what they called a law school in those days at transylvania and kentucky. kentucky was a border state or the civil war. he had political aspirations to try to get elected governor twice as a republican after the war but kentucky curiously enough, kentucky never succeeded but it would over to the south after the war and became totally democratic. harlan had a faint famous wall partner who served in the grant administration. harlan thought bristow be the first president of the nine states on republican ticket. bristow was a guy grant brought in to clean up the mess. the mess was the customs house in des moines unchecked newark that was most the money for the government. after heated solicitor general. he had been solicitor general of the united states. harlan was his friend over a short period of time is law partner. i'm sure two of them talked about it. if you wanted to be president you didn't want to admit it you had act like you're being drafted. so the republican commission in cincinnati, not far from louisville and harlan's hometown at that point. harla

was -- kentucky was a normal school. so she started with that. she takes classes throughout working -- she was working as a teacher, she was taking classes at i think howard at one period, tennessee state at one period, she took one -- took classes at one of the technical schools in paducah. she was a life learner. she was always trying to learn. i was reading a passage where she talks about how she took -- because she figured one day she may have to have t she did it much earlier in her life. she was a life learner but she would always take classes here or there to attain education. remember, in her time where could she -- she couldn't go to school but mostly the hcbus. in most places she couldn't have gone to school. was there another question? because there's one more thing which i didn't read and i think it's important. it was why -- it was an interview done about why -- what does she think about getting these press credentials and this is what she says. she says, open the doors of the white house, the congressional

joining me now is kentucky governor andy bashir.morning. >> good morning. >> the court ordered you to rescind your mask mandate, but the state board of education, it's still requiring masks in public schools. i'm talking about a mask mandate for students. so some students have to, others don't. i just wondered does that create confusion for parents? >> well, there shouldn't be any confusion because the science is clear. school districts that require universal masking are doing all right. they're keeping their kids in class. they're keeping cases and quarantines low. but everywhere that we don't have universal masking, it fails. it's everything from a district in kentucky that went back for three days masking optional and had 700 quarantines in just the first three days. i think they're up to 1500 now, all related to just three days. that west texas school district where the entire school district is quarantined, think about that. and we've got studies that come out now that say 90% of students in a classroom unvaccinated will end up

representative and democratic candidate for the united states senate in kentucky, charles booker. mr. booker, welcome to "the sunday show." >> good to be with you. >> all right. so, you ran -- looking here at my thing -- in the senate primary last year, if memory serves, against amy mcgrath. you just barely missed winning the nomination. so do you think that -- this go around with you as the senate candidate that you are the one, you're not running against mitch mcconnell, that was amy mcgrath, you think overcan overtake rand paul this go around? >> we can. and, you know, what we showed in the last cycle, against one of the most well funded senate campaigns in history is when you listen to the people, when you organize and meet people where they are, they can inspire a movement anywhere, even in kentucky. and the issues that we were lifting up ending generational poverty, making sure everyone

. >> bill: kentucky senator rand paul is with us now. in your home state of kentucky. do you channel some of the anger and emotion we're hearing there? >> i think it's hard to a imagine a more incompetent withdrawal with the biden administration totally screwing up the withdrawal. there is a lot of blame to go around to both parties. the important lesson to get here is not that we left too soon, that we stayed too long. we put hundreds of billions of dollars into this country and they fought for a week or less than a week. most of them didn't fight at all. they laid down their arms. they expect us to come back and do the fighting for them. i have a different take on it. nation building doesn't work. hundreds of billions of dollars and they fought for less than a week. i think we should have been gone 10 years ago, 15 years ago.

joining me now is the governor of kentucky. it's great to have you. i know you have no shortage of things on your plate right now. look, you and so many other governors around the country are seeing numbers that are only getting worse at this point in time. what are you doing? what do you think you can do in your office to combat this spread of the delta variant? >> well, the delta variant is the most aggressive and most likely the most deadly form of covid-19 that we have seen. the rate of increase, how quickly it spreads is the fastest that we've seen at any time during this pandemic and yes. it is spreading primarily through the unvaccinated, but i think as we go, we're going to see more breakthrough cases than right now the data shows. so for us, we started by trying to lead by example. we were the first state to reinstate masks in our state office buildings. we amped up our amount of testing to those state employees that were not vaccinated and we have pushed really hard for local leadership and the private sector to also step up with us. just th

state like kentucky.ight now in our shop a little note he put in an envelope kentucky right there, inside the envelope that's not now gone from a list of adjectives from the state of kentucky he recommended lincoln and he wrote was inside their, is gone right now but you have unused speech, he's on the inaugural train ready to cross the river from kentucky when he made this speech thinking about the slaves spread across the river from him. as you stay with this particular fragment except for historian who we both know well, he devoted three pages to this, his speech echoes important policy as president-elect and beyond not to allow slavery into the territory. i think that's one of the most important things he ever did, make sure he did not vary from thatat hardened position of his. if he had, nothing else may have followed. give us a comment on this wonderful speech. >> when did he write it? he didn't write it on the train, he wrote in springfield because we find attached to a first draft of his first ina

. >> fell whole question feelings, you need to understand can born in kentucky in seven indiana grew we would call the second great awakening of his parents attended baptist churches that were extremely emotional and from a young age, lincoln reacted against this emotionalism. in religion emotionalism generally so he was weary of feelings. he wanted to be a rational person, he was a thoughtful person so i found it remarkable when one he runs for the senate, elected by state legislatures, he's defeated in 1855 in leeds on the first seven ballots from the big issues is to act with slavery will be permitted to go west into the territories and even though they wanted him to stay in the race, he finally concludes he cannot win and withdraw so the democrat of a time who was anti- nebraska will hewin. lincoln is magnanimous and public, it's okay,t i am all right. in his remarkable note he talks about the fact that life is nothing but a failure, nothing but a flat failure. he would never have said that in public. he would never have expressed those deep-seated i feelings and that's what make

across this meadow and one of them turns amses kentucky long rifle fires. the soldier right at the militia men writing next to blows them out of the saddle. boone spurs his horse as he gets closer to the indians frantically reloading he reckon it's big jim. it's big jim who killed and tortured his son james? boone looks a big jim they knew each other big jim looks at boone and he's he's reloading they look at each other. boon is shocked. finally is this my time for revenge? he pulls out his his saber which is where the origin of the long night. that's where they the india started calling the americans long knife. he pulls out his saber big jim's reloading boone spurs his horse and what happened next was? well, you know if you want to know what happened next you're gonna have to read. thank you very much sarah. thank you very much. everyone who tuned in tonight. we really appreciate it. and i'm sorry to leave you hanging like that, but i'll have to read the problems of scholar here. i'm the stick meister. there you go. oh, i'm glad i love hanger. hello payin

i know there's been graffiti in the daniel boone national forest in kentucky.aniel boone was not one of those men. he had his faults, he was a man of his era, like washington, jefferson, and john hancock and benjamin franklin. i think 46 -- like 46 of the 51 signatories to the declaration of independence, later in life daniel boone did own slaves. he owned black human beings. he bought seven females and their children to work in his trading post. so the man was not -- he was not a saint by any means, but there was something about the man out of his time that coincided with the forest gump type. he's there for the french and indian war, he's here for the american revolution, he's here for lord dunnmore's war. i mean, he was just everywhere. that made him the perfect guy, just like he was a path finder in his own time, he was a path finding for us looking through as we tried to write this biography of an era. all that said, i get a sense that sarah is in the back somewhere with one of those hooks that she wants to put around my neck and pull me off the stage. so

and kentucky was on his mind a lot and he grew up in an area of illinois. a lot of kentuckians, also immigrated here to central illinois, illinois being really a border state just like kentucky. and i happen to have right now in our shop a little note that he put on an envelope, kentucky right there, inside the envelope, it's now gone, was a list of agittents perhaps, and he wrote inside there, the note is gone right now and i haven't looked at the papers to see if i can find it, but you have an unused speech that he-- he's on the inaugural train and he was write across the river from kentucky when he could have made this speech, thinking about the part right across the river from him. and as you say, with this particular fragment that except for historian harold holzer who devoted three pages to this, his speech echoes both his important policy as exhibit president-elect not to allow slavery into the territory. he just was-- that was i think one of the most important things he ever did, make sure that he did not vary from that hardened position of his. if

of course, kentucky was on his mind a lot. he grew up in an area of illinois, a lot of kentuckians immigrated to illinois and a border state just like kentucky and i have in the shop, in an envelope, saying kentucky right there, inside the envelope that's now gone was a wisp of agitants perhaps from the state of kentucky recommended to lincoln. he wrote what was inside there and wrote it's gone, i haven't looked at the papers to see if i can find it. you'll have an unused speech that he -- what he made -- no, he was on the inaugural train and he was right across the river from kentucky when he could have made this speech, thinking about the slave right across the river from him. and as you stay with this particular fragment, that except for historian harold holzer, we both know well, this was largely ignored. his most important policy as president-elect and beyond not to allow slavery into the territories. he just was-- that was, i think, one of the most important things he ever did, to make sure that he did not vary from that

their parents met at a revival in kentucky. their father later became a baptist minister in missouri, and frank was the oldest child. the next child died as an infant and then jesse was born and then they had a younger sister. when she was an infant and jesse was three, their father was invited to go to california with a wagon train leaving from the area of men who wanted to go to california to look for gold, and they invited their father to go along as the chaplain. so he accepted, but he never made it home. he contracted a fever in california and died of. the mother remarried. and frank was said to be withdrawn and a bible-reading boy who had a great interest in his father's sizable library, particularly shakespeare. and jesse was noted to be noble hearted and assertive. they had a normal family life. there was nothing that would make you guess what later they would become. frank desired higher education. he was looking forward to going to college, but when he turned 18 the civil war broke out. so he enlisted in the missouri

and one of them turns, aims his kentucky long rifle, fires, the soldier -- the militia men blows him of the saddle. boone spurns his horse, getting closer to the indian, frantically reloading, it's big jim. big jim who tortured and killed his son. boone looks at big jim. big jim looks at boone, they look at each other, boone is shocked, finally, is this my time for revenge, he pulls out his saber, which is where the origin of the long knife, that's where the indians started calling the americans long knife. he pulls out his saber, big jim is reloading, boone spurs his horse. what happened next was -- well, if you want to know what happened next, you have to read the book. thank you to everyone who tuned in tonight we really appreciate it. i'm sorry to leave you hanging here, but tom is the scholar. i'm the shtick meister. >> i love a cliff-hanger. i have a couple questions and then i have some questions from people who are attending. but first of all, the entire title of the book is "blood and treasure: daniel boone and the fight for america's first frontier". you explained to all th

kentucky was on his mind a lot. and he grew up in areas of illinois.ians also emigrated to central illinois. central illinois being a border state. we have in our shop a little note that he put on ilan envelope inside the envelope was a list of adjutants perhaps from the state of kentucky that were recommended to lincoln and so he wrote what was inside their and i haven't looked at the papers to see the item but you have an unused speech that he, he was on the inaugural train and he was right across the river from kentucky when he could have made this speech thinking about the slave right across the river from him. and as you say, this particular fragment that except for ighistorian errol holzer who we both know well three pages of this, really this is the war and the speech echoes and his policy aspresident-elect is not to allow slavery into the territories . he just, that was think the most important thing he ever did was to make sure that he did not vary from that hardened position of his. if he had, nothing else may have followed. please give us a

the wife of kentucky senator rand paul bought stock in gilead sciences, a drug company which produces the covid-19 treatment remdesivir, in the early days of

so brianna these two kentucky republicans couldn't be more diametrically opposed when it comes to thethe more consistent and responsible voices in the gop when it comes to the pandemic. he's been urging people to get the vaccines. he paid for radio ads to get that message out. early on he was talking about the importance of wearing masks and social distancing. and rand paul, meanwhile, got suspended from youtube this week for spreading misinformation about masks. he's publicly sparred with dr. anthony fauci and he himself refused to wear a mask last year even ach he contracted covid-19. this is not the first time these two have been at odds. rand paul is the thorn in the side of a lot of colleagues in the senate, republican and democrats alike. but this is different than politics and policy. this is public health and rand paul says he's not anti-vaccine his other messaging and behavior is undermining mitch mcconnell's effort to get people vaccinated and protect them. not to mention, their home state of kentucky is seeing cases and hospitalizations on the rise. >> it's clear, mcconnell

charles booker is a former democratic state lawmaker in kentucky who's running against rand paul in next year's senate election. olivia troy is a former adviser to mike pence where she worked on the white house coronavirus task force. thank you both for joining me to evening. charles, let me start with you. you have diabetes, i believe. so as a person with an underlying condition, does your opponent, rand paul's disinformation campaign about covid feel kind of personal? >> well, it absolutely is personal. you know, i've had to ration my insulin because i couldn't afford it. i nearly died from it. i'm at high risk. my wife and i are preparing to have our third daughter now. i've lost an uncle to covid. this is not a game. we're in a moment where a pandemic has cost us so much loss that we need leadership to find our way forward. instead of that, he's chasing conspiracies. trying to find the bogeyman and inciting lawlessness and fear mongering and it's going to cost

>> yes, now that was a kentucky based study. and they did get some criticism about the study because there was a little bit -- it was concerning that they just chose kentucky when they should actually be looking at reinfection across the entire country. and i will tell you this that i think that people who were previously infected getting one dose does make a lot of biological sense. and that's what the cdc has been pushing. natural infection does provide some protection, there is no doubt about that. in other countries, who incorporated that into their passportss. they have immunity passports, not vaccine passports, that you had prior infections, you can pass and go into the building. we need to discuss natural infection and natural immunity more. but that kentucky study did show us that they are more likely to get reinfected if you had covid than if you had the vaccine. i think it is actually with delta getting a vaccine, one dose is the right thing to do. julian: we've been speaking with infectious disease specialist at ucsf.

he wrote what was in there but you have an unused speech and he was right across the river from kentucky when he could have made this speech and as you say with this particular but harold holzer who we both know very well, this is largely ignored. the speech echoes more of the important policy is the president elect into the territories. that was i think one of the most important things he ever did, to make sure that he did not vary from that position of his. if he had, nothing else may have followed. please give us a comment on this wonderful speech. >> it's one that's been ignored. he didn't write it on the train. its was in springfield because e find it attached to a first draft of his first inaugural speech and you can tell from the speech and we know from other factors that he had this great ability for kentucky and perhaps he was overly optimistic in the beginning of 1861. it was certainly divided, so he keeps talking about my fellow kentuckians. he had spoken in 1859 and crossed the ohio river to hear him so he had a great hope that somehow he could give this speech. hee never did

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couple of days of in-person classrooms between one county and other in kentucky is dramatic. hundreds of people, children quarantined and none at all in those where masks are being used. at this point you don't have to go to court, but are you getting support from teachers and parents in your county? >> we are getting support from teachers, staff members, community members to really just appreciate public education. we are also having the same type of support from our families here in the county as well as just across the nation. >> and the nea is joining the federation of teachers. so now the unions are unified, if you will, across the country in supporting this for teachers and teachers know better than anyone other than parents that in-person education is so important especially for k through 12. >> right. if our goal is to make sure we're providing high-quality education then we need to be making sure that our students have access to that, and the way we can ensure the most access is by masking our students. if they are not masked that means they are possibly sick or need

when you consider mask and vaccine mandates in any way in kentucky?delta variant causing new cases, it's important that we don't take anything off of a table. we are encouraging vaccinations. when we look at first doses the numbers are a little better. including with younger folks, but we're seeing a significant increase in the last week or week in a half. we also reinstituted a masking requirement in masking buildings. my kids went back to school today, they're one of the earliest and their school is requiring masks while we continue to provide incentives like our shot at a million or free education for getting vaccinated. when we look at the restrictions, remember it's effectiveness that is important. that is restriction with the number of people that will or won't follow it. >> how concerned are you about the spike in cases among kids specifically. most young people can't get the vaccine even if they want to. >> i'm a dad of a 12-year-old who is now fully vaccinated. i believe so much in these vaccines. i took my child that is old enough, that i lo

everybody knew that his wife was back in kentucky. that was embarrassing to him and he was unhappy about it and he couldn't go back to kentucky even. he stayed here in washington and every once in a while he would run into kingcade in the capitol building because tolby would taunt kingcade and tweak his ear and twist his ear and make him bow and this is a particularly humiliating thing in code of southern chivalry and kingcade resented this. one day knowing the code, he gave the response, sir, i'm not armed. this is a challenge to a dual. he's saying let's get -- settle this in the honor of arms and tolby said, well, perhaps next time you better be. and unfortunately for tolby the next time tolby did it he was armed and he pulled his gun right here at the steps and shot tolby in the face. it took a week to die and we have never been able to get the blood out of the stairs there. talby made a statement that he had asked for this response and when kingcade was charged with murder, he was acquitted on the grounds of having defended his h

said the movement in kentucky was a long shot.ky candidate charles booker looks familiar, it's because he does. booker narrowly lost the kentucky senate democratic primary to former fighter pilot amy mcgrath. she went on to be trounced by mitch mcconnell in the general election. as booker suits up for round two, the question remains the same. can a progressive bring voters to the polls in the blue grass state? joining me now is the person who is going to answer that question, former state representative and democratic candidate for the united states senate in kentucky, charles booker. mr. booker, welcome to "the sunday show." >> good to be with you. >> all right. so, you ran -- looking here at my thing -- in the senate primary last year, if memory serves, against amy mcgrath. you just barely missed winning the nomination. so do you think that -- this go around with you as the senate candidate that you are the one, you're not running against mitch mcconnell, that was amy mcgrath, you think overcan overtake rand paul this go around?

that is very clear in that kentucky study. >> lawrence: fox news medical contributor dr.e case. claiming the study collins was referring to was misinterpreted. dr. marty makary joins us now. doctor, thank you so much for serving this audience throughout the pandemic. you have been consistent. you have said when the science was wrong and when it was right. so we appreciate you. so, separate facts and fiction from what the doctor just said right there. >> well, lawrence, i have tremendous respect for dr. collins. he has served this country well. but, you know, there are 14 studies that show that natural immunity is effective. it's durable. and it's going strong. and, yet, there has been this inexplicable denial of it and after a lot of public pressure now from our public health leaders to talk about natural immunity, they come up with this study that they essentially jerry rigged in kentucky showing that maybe it was 2.3 times higher than those with previous infection that's the natural immunity group than those who are vaccinated. guess what? the rate of getting subsequent

in kentucky and they looked specifically at people who had had natural infection and people who havevaccinated and then ended up getting infected again. so what was the protection level? it was more than two fold better from the people who had the vaccine in terms of protection than people who had had the natural infection. >> trace: you say dr. collins' statement is incorrect. why? >> so thanks for having me on. and i have enormous respect for dr. collins an accomplished scientist. but it's factually incorrect. it has not been shown that natural immunity, the immunity you have after infection is any inferior to the immunity you have after vaccination. and, in fact, there is growing evidence that natural immunity lasts a long time and highly protective against infection and hospitalization. this is a pandemic now not of the noninfected or non-vaccinated but of the nonimmune. second point is the study that dr. collins quoted did not have anything to do with people who had been vaccinated or had natural immunity. what it proved that if you were previously infected, your chance of getti

. >> the next time i encountered anna, my hometown in kentucky as a photographer at the kentucky derbyo anna nicole's house, moving in with her. anna lived in the house with her son daniel, assistant kim, attorney howard k. stern. he was kind of her publicist. he was kind of her agent. he was kind of the go-to person for anna nicole. >> did you see evidence of drug use and alcohol use? did she have a problem? >> i saw -- i saw a lot of things i didn't like. never once in my relationship with anna did i see her do any kind of illegal drug. i will say she sometimes did not take the medication as she was prescribed the medication. the night before the american music awards was the first time i eaw he a seure. >> i honored to be on the next performer's new video. >> anna nicole smith's wild need at the american music awards. >> in the midst of all this strange and bad press comes the announcement that her longtime court battle for her elderly husband's estate is going to the supreme court. there was no end to her court battles. she was in litigation continuously for 11 years. >> it was aff