what is the life kentucky kl of the cost over the next 10 years or two years? >> we started with l.e.d. exit signs. they used to be fluorescent or inca descent lamps very long lamp life. we don't have these fixtures quite here yet, we're starting to do commercial fixtures with l.e.d. arrays in them. very expensive at this point, but over the cost of the life of that fixture, it does pencil out pretty good. >> great. thank you very much. >> i appreciate the time. >> and jill is a manufacturer's rep coverage lots of other equipment here including this interesting thing that says push right here. so i'll push that. and this looks like a receptacle that fits on a countrier top. designed for a kitchen -- counter top? >> designed for a kitchen. >> a piece of granite and it comes in black or stainless steel for kitchens. >> very cool. there are lots and lots of regulations about receptacles in counters. i wanted to ask you about energy efficiency, you have a few products here which i believe are energy efficient. and this particular recessed can looks like it is the o