it was kind of an affront to kenyatta. he himself would later say that he had been marked by that, they kenyatta had identified him, that there had been an attempt on his own life and they think he really believed that. you know he was prone to making things up but he certainly lived in some fear that he had been marked by that. >> host: how much was he seen as a sort of a leader at any point in the whole kenyan politics of government? was he considered a rising man for a wild? obama, the father. and then that faded and he sort of came back? >> guest: he was never a leader. he was a smart guy. he was very good at what he did. people wanted him. they saw his potential but he was not a political leader. a legislator from a lego for many years and a good friend of obama describes what he himself was beginning to campaign for a legislator he would take obama with him. he was smart. obama was not employed at the time that he was a smart guy and he liked to have around. he told about one day when they go to a rally of teachers a

with the way the government was going, and he spoke out very boldly against the administration of kenyattaeel the little man was getting his fair due, and obama sr. was very cure yiourag about that at some personal risk. >> what do you think president obama will think about this book of yours about his father 1234 >> i think he'll find a lot that he didn't know in it. i cannot imagine it would be a very easy book to read, but i think any child who doesn't know their parent might want to know the true story about him. that's my hope. >> we certainly appreciate you coming on and telling us about the book and sharing some of what you found. thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> well, his books have titles like "god's war on terror," "say at th and why i left jihad, but is this reformed terrorist really who he says he is? >>> he says he was a terrorist claim to go have bombed an israeli bank. he also says he's been a member of the plo who attacked israeli soldiers and grew up a devout muslim who hated jews. now whalid chabad has converted to christianity and travels the u.s. about the danger of