always fun to talk about kerkorian kirk. i del you how the project began, because it wasn't because i knew kirk. i didn't know kirk at all. he was a name in the business pages of "the los angeles times" as far as i was concerned. i know every armenian here knows kirk better than i knew him, the day i got a call from my publisher. she just raid the obituary in "the new york times," and she was flabbergasted. this is a veteran book publisher in new york, to find out that this incredible life that she read bat in the the obituary was swan she never heard of, and so she wanted to know if there was a book in this man's life, and the reason she had never heard of him is that's the way kirk wanted it. he was very private man, who wanted not to be -- he not a celebrity businessman. he wanted anonymity if anything and if he had all the money in the world, which he came close to would he have paid it to be anonymous. he wanted to go to movie theaters and stand in line and wait for a movie like the rest of us, even though he owned mgm

[applause] i think the story of kirk kerkorian is very cinematic and i hope you find it that way in their writing. but the details, the adventures in business and even the adventures with women it's a story that reveals character all the way through and it is such an inspiring story i hope it gets wider and wider sharing. maybe we will just end on this note. i highly encourage all of you to pick up a copy. you developed a type of relationship after studying for two years you spent on this book. what did you think of him at the end of this and how did that change over time versus when you start with which yostarted whicw much about it then. >> what struck me is the rags to riches is only part of it. it's thrilling and it is an amazing story, that the way he did it by keeping his word there is another story that demonstrates and captures the work ethic in a way that mattered to me. he was selling and ended up with some of his properties. he was selling as i forgot what year this was that it was his name business associate and he was in charge of taking a page from different suitors and one