get -- kern mcpherson, are you there? effectuated, is there a drag on tesla? kern: i'm not sure if i am in a position to say that will stop i can say that the acquisition of solarcity has diminished the independence of the board. we would prefer to see entirely independent directors serving in those roles regardless of how the company's performance has been hit. it certainly has an effect on the corporate governance profile of the company. alix: if you are going to look , in reality, just -- hold tesla shares. be something behind or on the board level that starts trained -- starts changing that perspective? funds might have some concerns but they are often looking for stable investments, nonvolatile stocks that are viable for the long-term and while tesla has been an incredible performer over the last five or 10 years, clearly there was a lot of volatility, so it is not appealing for some funds and that has made it a do not touch for some investors. alix: kern mcpherson of glass lewis and co and ethan zindler, thank you so