>> kernan: they do.he gangs rule. >> winfrey: in an effort to break that rule, california identified gang leaders and enforcers and sent them to pelican bay. so the idea was to bring them here and have them in isolation? >> kernan: have them in isolation and deter their communication. and it worked. >> winfrey: so if any-- any-- inmate was validated as a gang member, he could be held here indefinitely for years, or decades? >> kernan: yes. >> clyde jackson: 24 years, five months and six days i was there. >> winfrey: clyde jackson was sent to prison at age 17 for kidnapping, rape, robbery, and attempted murder. but it was gang ties that got him sent to pelican bay. >> jackson: well, i was sent to pelican bay shu because i was labeled as a validated gang member of the black guerilla family. the design was complete isolation. >> craig haney: one of the first things they'd say to me was, "i am struggling to maintain my sanity and i don't know how to do it." >> winfrey: craig haney is a psychology professor a

all the numbers in that video with joe kernan were made up they're like 40% off reality nobody really cares. it's the thought that counts it is not the data. >> it is the thought that counts i agree. >> paul, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> forgive me. >> i was going to say, one of the things in the great interview with joe kernan was when he talked about the billions of dollars that have been brought back by corporations that's one of the things that i think most of us here on the desk would agree needed to happen all the trillions. >> where are they going, besides increase by the programs nowhere. >> not yet. >> pay down of debt. >> you're paying down the debt like crazy at these companies with the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been brought back keep in mind, it was almost -- >> people waiting for wage gains is thrilled it's coming down. >> we can debate the social and economic outcomes of all of that buybacks and all that other stuff are stock market stimulative. >> that's what we needed >> pointing it out. >> tenth year of a rallying stock market nothing this e

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listen to how he hinted at it during the interview yesterday with cnbc's joe kernan. >> is that in the works? is it planned? >> yeah. >> has it been talked about? >> it's in the works. >> a second meeting, you've broached the subject? >> we got along very well. the fact is, we got along very well. we, i think, can do great things for his country, but for our country. >> reporter: you know, peter, you think about what the president has hinted about could be on the agenda. also ukraine. that is a big concern inside the pentagon. remember, the pentagon has pushed for providing lethal weapons to the ukrainian government. they're very much engaged in a hot conflict in eastern ukraine. a lot more needs to be clarified. as of this morning, all we really know is they're talking about some meeting in washington, and not real specific on either time or specific place. peter? >> hans, as you and a lot of americans watched yesterday, the director of national intelligence, dan coats, was candid with andrea mitchell. some officials close to the president concerned it could rub president trump the wr

>> they are a little concerned, and i think the reason is he started out with kernan by saying i putnto the fed, that was an interesting way to say that. sothat took a little bit of th steam out of it. i think the major negative of it is it might put powell in a bit of a box because as much as he -- if he were to side with, you know, yellin's kind of thinking, and say, you know, we stayed below 2% for so long, maybe we should let it run a little to the hot side and trump's comments have now put him in a position of people saying, trump has frightened him into inaction and that's what's going on and if there's a danger there, that's what the danger is >> papa john's remains in the news, they have adopted a new tactic in an attempt to limit the influence of john schnatter, this follows his united statse l slur and his exit from the company. >> papa john's adopted a poison pill to keep john schnatter from buying more shares and taking control of the company now schnatter currently has a 30% take the plan would be activated if he or his affiliates and associated attempted to acquire more

. ♪ tom: the present squawking with joe kernan.ce story released yesterday and now the president has a big number moving out from 230 billion on tonese import tariffs up $500 billion. that's a very difficult number to achieve. china is only so big. what do you do? you go after apple? you go after whatever export of china's industry you talk about? that out on cnbc. we go to washington. cirilli is the only one at bloomberg and keep up with the news flow. to ask you theg same question as we asked in the five. when do the resignations begin? ?hen -- what does mr. coates do should he resign? i'm not hearing of there will be any impending resignations. conference you heard from the intelligence community speaking out in clear terms about how concrete the evidence is that the russians did in fact metal in the 2016 present election. fromnk the fallout helsinki is going to continue. mike pompeo will testify on capitol hill. has he been quiet. the secretary of state. i'm sure the secretary couldn't keep up either. what is he going to say? w