kerner: no ms. hill: so the white house doesn't dispute the facts, the president doesn't want to hold kellyanne accountable. as in so many other instances, the administration believes it should not be held to the same laws every other american should abide by. the executive branch is constitutionally established to carry out and enforce the laws of the land. so my question is, what does it mean for us if they won't enforce the laws of the land on themselves? mr. kerner: that's a good question for the congress, from o.s.c.'s perspective we have to make sure we abide by the statute and we conduct fair, nonpartisan investigations that apply the facts to the law and that's what we did here. i think other steps are up to the committee and the congress. ms. hill: thank you, mr. kerner, i yield back. mr. cummings: mr. meadow. mr. meadows: mr. kerner she made you mad, didn't she sm kellyanne conway made wru made? mr. kerner: i would not describe that, no. mr. meadows: you mentioned to numerous people she po

kerner. where is he? >> i want to thank all the members for being here. as soon as mr. kerner gets to table we'll start the questioning. >> meeting will come to order. mr. kerner, i want to thank you and the hard-working career experts at the office of special counsel who spent many months doing a thorough and careful investigation. i understand your recommendation to president trump that kellyanne conway be removed from office was not made without careful consideration. i want to play a clip from a phone interview president trump did last friday on "fox & friends" responding to osc's report. play the clip, please. >> you're not going to fire her? >> you know, i'm not going the to fire her. i think she's a terrific person. she's a tremendous spokesperson. she's been loyal. she's a great person. i would not think, based on what i saw yesterday, how could you do that. they have tried to take away her speech and i think you're entitled to free speech in this country. >> if you're working for the

kerner? mr. kerner: no. mr. jordan: no pressure from them? mr. kerner: none whatsoever. mr. jordan: they have a pretty good track record. i.r.s., two different times with you. mr. kerner: they're entitled to file complaints. they don't do the investigation. once the complaint is initiated, the investigation -- jordan we know who does the investigation -- mr. jordan: we know who does the investigation. it's you. mr. kerner: i don't do the investigations, sir. it's the nonpartisan -- mr. jordan: you're not responsible for the investigation that took place? you're the guy in charge. mr. cummings: you may answer the question. mr. kerner: thank you. mr. jordan: did they sign the letter or do you? mr. kerner: i signed the letter. i'm responsible. but i don't conduct the investigation. mr. cummings: thank you very much. let me clarify. on what the ranking member just asked you. were there others other than crew who had complaints with regard to ms. conway? were there other people? mr. kerner: yes, i believe so. mr. cummings: other organizations? come on, man, i'm listening. mr. ker

kerner, is that your staff back there? mr. kerner: yes, it is. chair cummings: how many people do you have on your staff? mr. kerner: the hatch act has five permanent employees through chair cummings: again so i want to thank you. our witness to please respond as quickly as possible. we may have some written questions for you. i just ask that you respond as fast as you can. mr. kerner: yes, sir. chair cummings: the hearing is adjourned. mr. kerner: thank you. chair cummings: all right now. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [indistinct conversations] ♪ pelosi: the house will be in order. >> for 40 years, c-span has been coverage from washington dc and around the country's a you can make up your own mind. created by cable in 1979, c-span is that you buy your local cable or satellite provider. c-span, your unfiltered view of government. president trump delivered freedomat the annual conferenc

kerner: yes. one of the employees who received a warning letter was pressah, former deputy contact at the white house. mr. shah tweeted a message 2018, that included a link to a republican national committee web page on the presidentments of donald trump's first 500 days in office. should a federal employee ever be tweeting political research from a party website on his or her official social media account? mr. kerner: i believe the guidance that hatch act has should not.t they >> o.s.c. did not find that kellyanne conway was using an account as we've talked about earlier but her own personal twitter account. explain how a message personal official's social media account can be a hatch act violation? thoughner: yes, even it's a personal account, if it has so many official statements on there, it is essentially an official account and if at official media interviews, she gives that account for that into it can turn an account that's violating the hatch act. >> o.s.c. social media guidance includes

kerner, is that your staff back there? mr. kerner: yes, it is. mr. cummings: how many people you got on your staff? mr. kerner: the hatch act staff has five permanent employees. mr. cummings: again, i want to thank you. i ask our witness to please respond as promptly as possible. we may have written questions for you. i just ask you to respond as fast as you ca all right? mr. kerner: yes, sir. mr. cummings: all right. hearing is adjourned. mr. kerner: thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] >> watch live coverage at 6:45 p.m. eastern on c-span2. you can also watch live at c-span.org or listen to the live play by play on the c-span radio app. next month, robert mueller is scheduled to appear before the house judiciary and intelligence committees. the former special counsel was subpoenaed yesterday to testify in open session about his report into russian interference in the 2016 election. w

kerner is mr. biden creepy because in your letter to president trump you stated miss conway is not allowed to state that. however i think we have all seen pictures where joe biden has acted inappropriately. can she express an opinion about a former elected official. it's an opinion. >> it's an opinion. the argument was she was stating facts and whether a information vice president biden is creepy or not is not a fact it's a an opinion by miss conway. >> in march she stated there's a whole hot mess in the democratic party beginning with right over the bridge here in virginia. mr. kerner i think we can agree that thi is also a statement of opinion on policy. i've seen the statement backed up with fact and illustrated in policies like the green new deal which would enact stop air travel all together and inhibit cow emissi as well inci aealth e system which would take medicare away from the elderly and make health care costs skyrocket. my colleagues want to get rid of the tax cut which helped boost our

kerner, is joe biden creepy? because in your letter to president trump you stated that ms. conway is allowed to -- not allowed to state that. >> it's an opinion. i think the argument was made that she was just stating facts.

kerner, this seems like a textbook hatch act violation.

kerner, who complained. kellyanne conway talking about senator biden and senator sanders, she said they were two old white career politicians. who filed the complaint? >> i don't have that information. >> you don't know who filed the complaint? >> no, i don't. >> how did you know ms. conway was in alleged violation of the hatch act? that's how you started investigations, someone complains? >> someone files a complaint. my unit know who is fis who fil >> can you turn around and ask them who complained? what organization? >> apparentl there were multiple complaints. also i think we don't disclose who files the complaints. >> they don't get to know who their accuser is. >> there is no accuser. >> isn't it true that an organization crew has done press releases saying they are ones who filed the complaint with the osc about ms. conway's alleged violation? >> i believe that's true. >> so it was crew who did complain. you knew that? it took me a minute just to get you to say that. >> like i said, we have to be care

kerner prescribed getting more black folks in the newsroom, but it is possible to stack the newsroom with black people and put them all at entry-level positions and not change your coverage at all. so the thing that the media continues to miss, is this proper integration of people of color and people from diverse backgrounds and putting them in positions that allow them to make them, make the kind of editorial decisions that give coverage the better reflects the american reality rather than catering to the interest of elite white men. >> so that is interesting. i think a lot about what are some of the different moments that we missed. and i think one big one that showed, what was coming was gamer gait, which was a harassment campaign launched in 2014 that targeted several women and people of color in the videogame industry. and in fact to this day, white nationalists and groups are actively working and recruiting video gamers, still. so doctor brock, you have done a lot of work around this, i want to come back to you, can you speak more to this phenomenon and what we are seeing and w

the committee heard from henry kerner, the special office for the special counsel. >> the committee will come to order.

kerner is telling axios -- no, we all -- kerner tells actixios >> i want morgan to be the judge to this. >> okay. kerner says solomon is not even a real deejay because he doesn't use vinyl and doesn't scratch. here's my point. the crisis is clearly over when you have first of all goldman's ceo and this -- he's being called -- i'm not saying -- but this is a very different time we're living through than your father or grandfather's banks. >> really? >> deejay battle that we're joking about involving two financial ceos >> i don't know. ask the millennial in the group here >> are you a deejay if you don't scratch? that's the whole question. >> i'm old school. i go with no >> i thought if you were old school, tough scratch. >> that's what i'm saying. there's nothing but upside for the acorn ceo in this. it gives them more attention if you were to see a battle like this and "b," apparently he has been doing this for 14 years old and was a professional deejay for j. lo i feel like he is going to win that battle. >> i can't believe we're even talking about this >> that would make two of us >>

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kerner was appointed by president trump. he said ms.iolations, if left unpunished, would send a message to all federal employees that they need not abide by the hatch act's restrictions, her actions erode the foundations of our democratic system, the rule of law. let's discuss. walter shaub is here and rick wilson. mr. shaub, let's talk about this. i think that, you know, we can all agree that kellyanne conway won't be fired and i imagine that this counsel, trump appointee, knows that too. but still he is taking a stand. >> you know, there was a story recently where the "new york times" called something an existential question. but this is an existential question for the agency that enforces the hatch act, the office of special counsel, which isn't related to mueller. she's saying publicly -- saying words that signal she's not going to comply with it. when does my jail sentence start? if they can't see her disciplined, how can they continue firing career federal employees, which they do, just last year they forced somebody out of i.c.e.

republican henry kerner.as nothing to do with robert mueller's office which is also a special counsel's office established within the justice department. henry kerner was counsel to the house oversight committee when it was chaired by darrell issa. he was the staffer director of investigations for the house oversight committee whether it was chaired by republican republican jason chai vets. his washington resume is purely republican and highly partisan and he even he could not abide the conduct of kellyanne conway. in his letter to the president, henry kerner said if miss conway were any other federal employee, her multiple violations of the law would almost certainly result in removal from his position. miss conway say repeat offender. never has the office of special counsel had to issue multiple reports to the president concerning hatch act violations by the same individual. never. there has never been a kellyanne conway on the federal government payroll before. the special counsel's 17-page report begins w

was leading the government ethics and just as the white house ignored me, they are ignoring henry kerneror is a trump appointee. individual candidates and political parties while being interviewed on television and on her twitter page, which the office of special counsel not related to mueller, the agency that does this, found was essentially an official account because she tweets so much government information on it. the defenses from the white house have ranged from saying this is a violation of her first amendment rights, which the courts have rejected, to now a new one saying that somehow the hatch act doesn't apply to senior white house officials. but these are actually rather extreme positions for the white house to take, and they're not going to be supported in any form, whether by congress or in a court or anywhere else. >> thank you, walter, for making us smarter. we appreciate it. walter schaub. one of the largest online furniture companies and employees of wayfair are outraged after learning it was selling beds to furnish migrant facilities for children. what they're now hopin

and earlier date of use and your kerner spoke with the un's high commissioner for refugees from the foregrounded he appealed for more international cooperation. high commission and nearly 71000000 people worldwide are displaced all refugees are high increase in numbers compared to last year one of the reasons. the main one is inability to resolve conflict to put an end to wars old wars chronic wars new wars new crisis unless this is addressed to gether unanimously by the international community we will continue to see these figures rise how should the world leaders address the situation by working together we have seen that even in the crisis that have caused the worst humanitarian problems like syria like libya like e.m.m. we have not seen unity on the part of the international community unless there is a unity in the security council where germany sits and tries to encourage a disunity in other fora unless there is this unity of intent we will not solve conflict and we will continue to inflict the consequences of conflict on millions of people that make this very difficult choice to leave behi

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. >> interesting story >>> joining us now to dive into this story is lou kerner from crypto oracle.ally may be the perfect guest in the world to have on about this story i think i know as much as anybody about that >>ky go a half hour with this interview. i have three minutes you can make loans, you and i can send it to each other over the facebook app sounds a lot like a bank >> it does >> not a bitcoin >> that's one of the big differences, this is at the moment centralized it's not decentralized so you have someone running it >> i thought the whole point of cryptos, the ethers, the ripples, the bitcoins of the world is to be decentralized isn't that the whole basis of what they wanted to do >> that's what they wanted to do a lot of other people think differently. ripple is not decentralized. ripple is centralized. it's the third most valuable cryptocurrency you can have a valuable centralized cryptocurrency >> what do you make of this? is this facebook trying to get a bit of that crypto buzz? big companies love to have that buzz, that pr buzz around it is this really a paypal clon

why is henry kerner scream something you pointed out he was appointed by donald trump. he was a long time operative of the conservative movement. republican lawyer. >> this is not a hit job by someone on the left. the reason he is screaming and saying things like if left unpunished her actions erode the foundation of our democratic system and rule of law. we have laws in this country and if the president can say to officials they don't apply to you, ignore them am, what happens to the system. the president said ignore the finance laws. today he said ignore the hatch act. what's it going to be tomorrow. ignore bribery laws. at what point do we cease to be a government of laws and not of man. >> what is the recourse. this is so maddening about watching all of this unfold. okay, literally a sternly worded scream from the office of special counsel and kellyanne conway is like when is the jail sentence starting? the president is of course i take it. who is to stop anyone from doing anything. >> there in lies the problem. there is no recourse. the assumption is if congress pa

henry kerner gave a statement to foxnews.com, he said i'm a trump appointee, i had no animus whatsoeverre the federal workforce stays as the politicized and as fair as possible, that's the whole origin of the idea of the hatch act. >> that's the goal, i think kellyanne conway has made a decision i don't respect this law, i'm going to keep saying what i'm saying and we will see if there are any consequences for her. it seems like there won't be. i'm not an attorney, i looked at what the law says and what some of the allegations are. it seems cut and dried she was crossing the line of what she is not supposed to do. if the law is supposed to apply to people in her position and it doesn't, maybe it's time to change the law and if not, we will see some consequences and i'm not going to hold my breath. the president has wide latitude and loves when she is doubling down and being defiant because it's right in his wheelhouse. >> shannon: she might get erased. buck sexton who was on a short minute to go he tweeted as someone who used to work in the federal government, i can tell you the sanctim

. >> yang:or karla jay, and her wife, karen kerner, even running errands in their upper west odde neighborhorings reminders of this month's milestone pride celebration. >> oh, look,ride coffee! >> oh, that's hilarious! >> yang: jay, a retired college professor, is among the pioneers of the l.g.b.t.q. rights movement: the first female chair of the gay liberation fron one of the earliest activist groups to emerge from stonewall. college student mya padilla, who is bisexual, is getting ready for pride weekend, too. she is an intern at the brooklyn community pride center-- what she hopes is the first step in a career of community organizing. jay and padilla are two links in the long chain of l.g.b.t.q. rights activists. we introduced them to each other new york's lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender ormmunity center. their s provide a glimpse g. how attitudes toward the l.t.q. community and haotections for their rights haveed over the last half- century-- and how they haven't. jay was raised in broo a i grew up in the early 1950s, and we didn't ha vocabulary for being a lesbian or gay man or trans.

kerner worked on the republican staff of this very committee for several years under both chairm darrel issa and jason chaffetz. in this report, the special counsel describes, and i quote, persistent, notorious and deliberate hatch act violations, end of quote. this report explains how ms. conway violated the law dozens of times by using her official position to criticize democratic candidates and support republican candidates. i should not have to say this, but obvious that is against the law. it is against federal law. unfortunately, this was not the first time the special counsel informed the president that ms. conway violated the law. in 2018, special counsel sent president trump a report finding that ms. conway violated the hatch act twice. yet the president took no disciplinary action against her. instead, with the president's full support, ms. conway has engaged in an astoundnding showf defiance by increasing the frequency of her illegal activity and discxds difficulties parging the law itself. on may 29, 2019, she answered a question from a reporter about her violations by sayin

here is henry kerner. >> she has the right to free speech. we're upholding free speech rights.here are some limits on that free speech while she is on duty to insure that we have the depoliticized workforce. >> you and i know this and for the folks at home that aren't awash in washington politics. the hatch act limits what government employees can and can't do with respect to political activities. but to hear the president tell it, kellyanne was asked a question. in his mind it's a free speech issue. >> president trump: no, i'm not going to fire her. she have has been loyal. she is a great person. i would certainly not think based on what i saw yesterday how could you do that? they have tried to take away her speech and i think you are entitled to free speech in this country. >> he would look at a more detailed briefing about the hatch act but laid it out in four words. she is not going anywhere. >> sandra: kevin corke on a busy morning at the white house. thank you. more on this with our headliner this morning. louisiana congressman steve scalise, house minority whip. it is an

kerner: milk mulvaney was lso one of them. >> the committee will be in recess. the committee will be notified. thank you for your testimony. >> the hearing will now reconvene. without objection, i want to introduce sboot record an rticle from the "boston globe" entitled, ethnicity a rise. i turn to mr. hice who is recognized for five minutes. mr. hice: i would like to go back, mr. kerner, you referenced earlier that professionals make the determination, who are they and how do think make the determination? mr. kerner: the professionals are hired through the merit system and our chief has been the good chief for 19