talk about this underworld in buffalo and getting on the phone and dealing with that sort of status kerrick yours. and you also talk about another pillar of debt collection world, which is las vegas. and you went there to do investigation therein to deal with some of these individuals and discover new things they are. what was that like quiet >> guest: right, so i wanted to see how brandon wilson was spotting this debt. brandon is the former armed robber who works for barrett and assigning these deals on paper in those deals are keyed of making the profit margin. in the course of talking to brandon he said las vegas. every february there's a debt buyers convention and i go there and help for deals. i asked him can i tag along with? he said sure. in february 2013 effluent to vegas and spent several days with brandon as he was on the prowl for these deals. he wanted to get a few buckets of debt that he could then bring home with it either to work at his own collection agency or he could then flip himself to other folks. it was interesting because when we arrived there that year, the market fo