kerry kennedy is the president of the robert f. nter for justice and human rights and daughter of the former presidential candidate and former attorney general. thanks so much for joining us. tell us about your most recent recipient and the focus of the center right now in terms of what is going on in new mexico in particular. >> thanks, andrea. it is so nice of you to remember my father in this way. you know, as we think about the anniversary and what robert kennedy did, he -- when lawmakers and leaders in the south were imposing jim crowe laws in defiance of the u.s. constitution, he brought the power of the federal government to the aid of civil rights workers. so today the rfk center takes that as our model and we look for people who are the martin luther kings and john lewises of today and we work with them for a six-year period and we bring the power of the international law to their aid as they work on human rights issues in their countries. so abel hernandez berra is one example. he lives in mexico. he has had many members o

kerry, i think the dilemma we face is one well-known to you and other members of this committee. we have had over many years a difficult relationship with pakistan. in part because starting with president kennedyhen president of pakistan at mt. vernon all the way to the present day, we have had a difficult challenge in staying on any single course with the pakistanis. as you remember very well because of their nuclear program and other reasons, the congress passed what was called the pressler amendment cutting off all contact with them and particularly military contact with them that meant we were not involved with their military training and the relationship building with their military officers, and we also have seen, you know, using aid on the one hand to try to influence behavior, withdrawing it in the face of our disapproval, so if a pakistani official were sitting here, he, and they would most likely be he, although i think they're about to name a woman foreign minister, he would say we don't know what you want of us. we don't know what to expect from you, and we can't count on you because you're here today and gone tomorrow. now, i would argue that is only part of the story because clea