i got ambushed by cnn outside. >> i think kerry lake has what it takes to get us to where we need to ack for our families and gives us hope. >> lake has a message for a base, and only that group. the question is, is that group large enough to win the republican nomination? >> how are you? >> republican gubernatorial candidate karen taylor robison another leading contender for the gop nomination, says it's not. >> how do you run against an opponent who is backed by a popular former president? >> if you like donald trump's policies and record of limited government, low tax, pro-business environment, and somebody with a track record of success, i'm your candidate. if you wand somebody who is a big personality, i think kerry lake is your candidate. >> robison's strategy to win the nomination is to consolidate support of traditional conservatives helped by pence's rally. >>. >> she also has the support of arizona's outgoing republican governor, doug ducey, who attacked lake's support for trump as a matter of political convenience. >> lake's misleading voters with no evidence. she's been ta

>> well, the names on the ballot are karen robson and kerry lake. robson is the real conservative. she's the real deal. she started her career working for ronald reagan, she's pro-gun, pro-life. she's the mother of four. she's been a community leader and a successful business person. and i think karen taylor robson will be the best person to be a fresh, new leader for the state of arizona. her opponent, on the other hand, bears no resemblance. her campaign or even her personal interactions with me to anything she's done over the past 30 years. this is all an act. she's been putting on a show for some time now. and we'll see if the voters of arizona buy it. >> and how does this play into the national conversation, particularly about, as i mentioned, the election in 2020. c lake is backed by the former president, in large part, because she says the 2020 election was stolen. >> kari lake is misleading voters. she's been tagged by her opponent, fake lake, which is sticking and doing some damage. karen taylor robson started from zero and now this is a margin of error race. >> will the r

kerry lake has promoted former president trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen the state's former gop governor ripped into lake yesterday, calling her an act and fake lake it's not the first time mr. pence has gone against a trump backed candidate he threw his support behind the georgia governor, brian kemp, back in may, kemp won his primary against former senator david perdue >> in wyoming, the republican congresswoman liz cheney is facing a very tough primary fight to keep her seat that is if you believe the newest polling according to the caspar star tribune poll conducted this months, cheney's trump-backed opponent, harriet hegman has a commanding lead, beating her by more than 20 points. 52 to 30 among likely primary voters but congresswoman cheney is winning the money race the newest fund-raising numbers out show her raising $2.9 million in the second quarter, and ending june with nearly $7 million still on hand. that far eclipses her opponent's haul part of the cash flowing to cheney comes from democrats. many dems have said they admire her for her role in exposing t

thank you to kerry lake. they were going to democratic party, would like to extend a warm thank you to karen taylor robertson for her longtime financial support to help electct democratic candidates up and down the ballot so she gets e a karen ropes and gets a little thank you because she ended at some point giving money to democrats and so did kerry. i mean, kind it all begins to cancel each other out after a while. i think the voters are just become confused by all of this. yeah, i think the democrats think that they're being veryy clever. but the problem c for them is that if you look at polls, they are basically forsa a massacre and so there's a chance they could lose to t anybodyhe. >> and that's the dangerousus game they're playing. glen, great to say . it's been a while. and in an attempt to ding former president trump, new york city mayor eric adams once called the border issue i a fake crisis. last year he proclaimed his city a destination forro diversity in response to a trump order to do away with

kerry lake, president will be supporting. this is someone who has been very supportive of his dispute of the elections results despite all the facts that have proven otherwise. mike pence who will be speaking a bit earlier will be joined by the republican governor in that state supporting a very different candidate here. so the biggest takeaway if you need anything else that sums it up, the president simply saying i don't want to say the election is over then. and still a year and a half later refusing to say as much. >> ali vitali, that active inaction that peter was talking about, the president choosing not to act because the hearing said that he didn't want to act and some of his aides saying he didn't want to act. caylee mcenany saying he didn't want to say go home in some of the tweets. i wonder if you are getting any reaction today because those lawmakers, they were scared in the moment. jared kushner saying kevin mccarthy called him and he sounded scared. we've heard what it was like for members of congress that day re

mastriano in pennsylvania, darren bailey in illinois, they are attempting it in arizona right now with kerry lake, they tried unsuccessfully to do it in colorado gi by giving an assist to two 2020 election deniers. >> trevor: believe it or not democrats are actually helping these extreme candidates win nominations because they're assuming that they are too crazy to win the general election. the plan that has never back fired in the history of america for the last five years. yeah, i can't see how that could go wrong. look on the one hand i get it. it is a classic get some ass by standing next the ugliest guy at the bar strategy. i understand that. but this strategy assumes that democrats will rtent tent campaign against these people. that say big assumption. i don't know about you guys. i don't trust the democrats to run a race properly. only people who try to shoot fish in a barrel and show end up with a fish shooting them. nemo has the gun, i thought hi it but nemo got the gun. >> not to mention the stakes are so high. think about if this thing back fires. democrats use their money to help craz

gets a little thank you because she ended up at some point giving money to democrats and so did kerry lakes have become confused by all of this. >> i think the democrats think they are being very clever but the problem is for them, if you look at polls, they are basically in for a massacre. there's a chance they could lose to anybody and that is the danger of the game they are playing. >> laura: great to see you. it's been a while. in an attempt to ding former president trump, new york city mayor eric adams once called the border issue if a crisis. faster he proclaimed to city a destination for diversity. muriel bowser announced that she would limit cooperation with deportation orders. now that buses have brought the border issue to their backyard, these "not in my backyard" types are seeing a different tune. >> overburdened shelter system so now we are talking about food, clothing, school. this is going to impact our schools because we do not turn away individuals because they are undocumented. >> we have for sure called on the federal government to work across state lines to prevent peop

here's a columnist for the arizona republican says quote, current taylor robson versus kerry lake is me doug doocy versus donald trump. laura, did you see endorsement got my attention this. race could give us a little bit of background about carry lake and her opponent as well? in terms of their backgrounds and sensuality and republican party politics there? >> all we have to know about carey lake is that she is donald trump and stilettos, swinging around a sledgehammer whatever she can hit. it is a campaign infused by anger. it is a trump loyalist, she has been endorsed by trump. there is nothing that she can do that would change that. there's about 35% of the states likely republican voters who will be in her cap. enter stage left his current taylor rhodes, who is traditional old line republican candidate. she comes from a long line of republican candidates in the state. she is trying her best not to appear as a traditional. a campaign blanche is every time you use the word establishment, that's really what she is. she is their best hope to become the next governor of arizona for th

president trump, former president trump endorsing kerry lake and vice president pence endorsing karyno years in which candidates bump into each other more and can be compared to each other more. so you did have trump and pence in arizona. tonight, ron desantis is going to be speaking at turning point u.s.a. in tampa. trump will be there tomorrow and, you know, trump's big advantage in 2016 and 2015 was that he was such a better performer than all of his fellow candidates. but at the time. he did not have a record in the white house. and there wasn't this possible trump fatigue that you were talking about after the january 6th hearing. so i think the dynamic between trump and other republican candidates is going to be different now than it was five years ago. >> you talk to republicans, joshua, and they say listen, january 6th committee doesn't really move it for me. at least most do. others have been looking at it. seeing not a lot of new information but compiled in a way compelling. does it move the needle politically do you think? >> i think it moves the needle a little bit among so

when you look at -- kerry lake, who is by all standards unqualified to be governor of anything. know, the front-runner for the republican nomination to be governor of arizona. you look at kristi noem, who is a seasoned vet, who's con torted herself into pretzels. she did the best job of evading your answers. i just haven't seen -- i it's like my 17-year-old daughter you're trying to ask her a question and she's trying to sneak out. i don't know. you can't get the trump -- >> on january 6th. she answered on abortion. >> kind of. she didn't answer the question about the 10-year-old girl and the rape exception. when you think these things through, trump is hovering over this party and he's a stench they can't shake. >> i'm on the other side of the political aisle. i would love to be past trump. i would love for trump to be in the rearview mirror. i don't ever want to think about him again let alone have a conversation but this is ongoing. the january 6th investigation is about a coup that failed. we know from historical precedent all over the globe, that's rarely the only time that

trump is backing kerry lake, former local news anchor embraced the former president's lies about theelection. while pence has endorsed karen taylor robson, a businesswoman and political ally of outgoing governor doug ducey. the race is being viewed as something of a referendum on the future of the republican party. candidate running for governor of new york is condemning the cashless bail system that allowed a man suspected of attacking him to be released quickly from custody. republican house representative lee zelen was unfarmed after he was attacked on the campaign event in new york on thursday. on friday, he called for changes to the state's bail system saying judges should have the discretion to decide who remains in police custody. the suspect was charged with attempted assault and released on his own recog any sense. police say he was armed with a set of self defense knuckles with sharp-pointed ends. the motive for the attack is unclear. >>> ahead here on "cnn newsroom," no relief in sight from scorching heat and humidity across much of the u.s. with millions of americans unde

theories who say that they would have overturned the ruts of the 2020 election in arizona like kerry lakendidate for governor. >> i know for a fact we will no longer accept rigged elections. who is with me? >> reporter: pence campaigning for the republican rival. >> arizona needs robinson in the statehouse. >> reporter: and we met some republicans who are done with trump. >> i voted for trump twice. if mike pence runs, i'm voting for mike pence. >> reporter: so why is that? >> i just think that, you know, everyone has seen the january 6 committee. he stood up for democracy that day. you know, he is like i'm not leaving the capitol because i need to be here. and he was the one that was making phone calls to the military and trying to fix the situation while trump was crying in the dining room. >> reporter: even among will crowd, there is sympathy for trump's election lies and support for a 2024 run. you're about to see pence speak here. trump is not a big fan of him right now. >> i understand that. i hear that he could have not certified those results pending all the claims of the fraud. a

trump backing kerry lake, who repeats his lies and conspiracies about the presidential election, andr robison, a business woman who has the support of governor greg doocy. let's continue this conversation with michael smerconish. how big of a test is this of these two men's endorsements? >> it's a curiosity, it's fun to watch. in the end, i think that these proxy wars, there's only so much value to what they portend for the future, because it's not pence and trump whose names will appear on the ballot. it's interesting zand it's a sin of this burgeoning gap between two. donald trump's frailties and limitations are playing themselves out in prime-time in these january 6th hearings. but you know, wolf, it's hard for me to see wherein lines the lane for the former vice president. because for some, he's insufficiently maga, because in the end, he didn't do what president trump wanted him to do, i would add, thankfully, but to others, he was the vice president for donald trump for four years and ran with him for almost a year prior, so he's too tide to trump. and i don't see how in this i

while at the same day, friday former president trump campaign for her opponent kerri lake a former phoenixter who supported obama but now says she has completely changed not to disappoint that crowd last night, trump teased them with a little bit of 2024. >> and now, we may have to do it again. [cheering] >> these speakers slated for the rest of this saturday include donald trump junior as well as former fox news host kimberly and then the big headliner tonight, the man you just saw former president donald trump in person and on that stage. we expect this remotely packed, back to you. xi think the celebration is all about you phil, that's what i'm going to go with. that's what i needed. x these are very challenging times in the life of our nation. but everywhere i go, i am more encouraged everyday that help was on the way. >> we have only begun to fight. because we are on a mission to keep the state of florida free and to save our great country. >> so republican party look at the pass of the future for its next presidential candidate? two of the future potential candidates are out stumping

if election deniers like dog mastery on all of pennsylvania, or kerry lake of arizona, weighing in onity to certify the republican candidate as the winner of the presidential election in their states, even if that candidate actually lost the vote. now, voting rights attorney, marc elias, voiced his concern for this measure, writing in part, quote, the new bill failed to provide any legal standard for a court to use to overturn a governors conclusive certification. a court will be left to wonder what standard, if any, is appropriate to overturn a determination by the governor that federal law says is conclusive. joining us now is arizona secretary of state katie hobbs. she is running as a democrat to be the next governor of arizona. madam secretary, thank you so much for joining us. as arizona's secretary of state, you watched many republicans in your state, and really around the country, trying to overturn the election results there. would you trust a republican governor to do the right thing in 2024, if they were in power? >> well, certainly, if you look at things like that carrie le

now you're narrowly trailing kerry lake in this primary right now, the race has really t tightened.how do you convince repub public and voters that you are the candidate better poised to keep this governorship inn republican hands? >>reican well, laura , thank yor having me on tonight. and in fact, the most recent polls have me leading and it is remarkable h the amount of momentum that we have in thispa campaign. and i believe arizona voters are waking up to the the stakes that are at hand and in this election so that we can keep the arizona governor's office in republican hands. we have to we know what we're up against and they know that i am best positioned to defeatob k.t. hobbs inbs the november election. >> now, you have governor deucy came out and endorsed you, whic is he's very popular inta the state of arizona. i know some conservatives don't think he's conservative enough. i get it. but that was a big, big deal for you to get that endorsement to. y how do you convince them or did you convince them you just decided to pick d the . well, governor deucy has joined a chorus of

election deniers are running and winning primaries across the country, perhaps kerry lake in arizona. concerned are you that january 6th was just the beginning and at some point in the future, someone will successfully steal an election? >> i think we all have to be concerned about that. with respect to donald trump, as i said, he can never be anywhere close to the oval office again. his demonstrated willingness to blough through every guard rail of our democracy, his willingness to put himself above this nation, the extent to which he's still to this day betraying the fundamental patriotism of millions of americans makes him unfit for office. i think those candidates who are running -- i would say in particular, the candidates who know what they're saying is a lie do not deserve the support of their voters. it's a dangerous moment. it's a moment when those of us who believe in our constitutional republic and who believe in the rule of law and who believe in a democratic process have to stand together across party lines to make sure we're doing all we can to defend it. >> congresswoma

you have donald trump holding a rally for kerry lake, a fellow election denier, conspiracy theorist whoome a trump ak light. then you've got karen taylor robeson who's here with the current arizona governor as well as former vice president, mike pence. this is the most notable path in which both of these individuals, pence and trump, have taken in endorsing two opposing candidates in a major race like this. it comes down to the voters. yet at the same time, as the nation has watched these public hearings unfold, i want to bring in rusty bowers. the speaker of the arizona house of representatives who you'll recall just last month, you were in front of that public hearing yourself there. you had become a target of this republican party. just this week, the arizona republican party censured you. donald trump has called for you to be ousted now. you have your own primary opponent who's trying to get you off office. where do the likes of you and other republicans who some in the party are trying to excommunicate. what do you do now? >> arizona's a battleground, but it will be all across the

the arizona gop governor grace kerry lake is leading her point by 12%.senate primary, there is nearly 12% difference between black masters and his closest challengers. meanwhile, in michigan, trump's canada tries to take on governor whitmer has taken the lead in that gop primary by seven points. throughout the, day msnbc reporters will be on the ground in these key states have the primaries. so let's go ahead to nbc's shaquille brewster in marshall michigan. what are you hearing from voters there? >> well, you are hearing that they are watching this election extremely closely, especially those republican voters. in that race to take on democratic governor gretchen whitmer. this isn't a race it has been chaotic nearly from the start. the former front-runner of the race was booted off the ballot after issues with signatures for the petition to get that name on the ballot. there was also spending. high dollar spending from democratic groups, in this republican primary race. and then we had president trump, former president trump, endorsing tutor jackson yes

kerry's in south lake tahoe playing in the american century celebrity golf tournament and he made that guy do 30 push-ups before he would sign kerry's jersey. guys been working out. he completed the task, got the signature. got a little greedy, though and asked if steph could also sign it. she can cook on the jersey as well. you know for and you find the celtics fans had some fun with that. and then they lost no report. if kerry got around to making that other requests happen. but yeah, down to give you 30 because his number 30, so course makes sense next up. >> getting a taste of the tropics in wine country. you bet. it's coming up in tonight's dine. and dish? >> the bay area loves its to keep bars windy. and you can find some of the coolest joints in the city here and well beyond. well, be on. so. >> taste of the tropics in wine country tonight on dine and dish i'm taking you to will friends. it is the first and apparently only tiki bar in napa. >> only is you don't necessarily think t be known. now. like when you're tired. a wine tasting to go. go here. you reference. yeah, this is

they are attempting it in arizona with kerry lake.o it in colorado but giving an assist to two 2020 election deniers. it is also, i don't have to tell you, a strategy that carries significant risk. think about it. if dan cox wins the nomination and then, say he happens to pull off a win in the general, democrats will have helped fund and elect a maga conservative to a governorship. joining our conversation, matt dowd, political strategist, founder of country over party, also an msnbc political contributor. jason's still here. matt dowd, you flagged this, and this troubles you. this seems like another example of why it's a dangerous strategy. >> well, it does trouble me, and i have two reasons for it. first is just practical politics. i mean, i think any time you take resources that could be used in a general election and orchestrate some kind of, you know, bank shot deal where you're going to elect somebody that you think is the possible weakest candidate, doesn't always turn out well. one, you lose resources, you've expended resource

pence is endorsing karen taylor rawson, trump endorsing kerry lake so they got different candidates theyd when he gets behind somebody, it's always the person who wins. that remains to be seen but also rivalry between the two, they once were so close, trump and pence and you brought up and pence said no, i'm not overturning results of the election and you can imagine how trump took that and hold grudges as we know so here we are. stuart: now look at the midterms this november, house republicans later kevin mccarthy turning the parties key issue, with the governor run in november? it's going to be inflation? >> we've got a soundbite from him and i will let him say in his own words. >> the highest inflation in more than 40 years. gas prices you've never seen like this before. crime in our streets and the border wide open that now has spent all to be the number one killer of americans between 18 to 45. if we take the majority, we will make sure we lower the cost of energy, become energy independent, secure our street to be safe and more important, secure our border at the same time. >> brin

outcomes could be so momentous, they're going to have to comment on the things that doug mastriano and kerry lake the mastriano primary and when they key in on what lake has to say, a lot of republican voters are unfortunately going to hear that and think that's a good reason to vote for her. so, there's no way to accept neutrality here. but what i do think there's a way, what democrats can do, tell a consistent story, starting in the primary and going through the general election about what it is about candidates like lake and mastriano that is extra dangerous, especially dangerous. and that story doesn't have to change. it doesn't have to be a core game where you whisper to conservative voters during the primary that this is a really good person and pivot in the general election about infrastructure or any other kitchen table issue. >> brian, specific to these candidates that pose a radical threat to american democracy, you have doug mastriano said he would, you know, overthrow the election results as soon as he's in office. and also, particularly in his case, he says that he would ban roe v. w

support behind a closing candidate in the gop primary for arizona governor trump is going to be for kerry lakeing karen taylor robson at events the same day. your thoughts on what's happening in arizona. >> i think it's fascinating and i think mike pence is going to run i do not think he would challenge trump i think trump is going to run as well and when i talked to him a couple of months ago he certainly sound like he was going to run i do think you will see a crowded field trump will not have a field to himself. he had a big win in the maryland governor's race mike pence and trumpeted face-off in georgia and mike pence one.proxy battle. i think this is going to be a fascinating battle. it's winnable for either candidate that's why both trump and pence are getting involved in pushing the narrative of back my candidate it's good to be a big power play in somebody is going to be able to a road when this is over. maria: will be watching out as well will talk with you along the way thank you for being here this morning. bob q sack. an investigation into hunter biden's shady business deals and po

former local tv news anchor kerri at lake backed by and karen taylor and doris by former vice presidentnce per they are duking it out on the gop side what's been called the battle for the soul of the arizona republican party. the u.s. senate the fight to take on incumbent senator mark kelly. trump endorsed blake masters filed by arizona jim lehman. state attorney michael berkowitz who still feels the wrath from trump supporters because he certified the election. voters told us they had their latest problems. independent voters and disaffected republicans helped them by didn't win, inflation hit 12.3% compared to june of 2020 at just 2%. eight truckdriver, father of four says neither side is listening to regular folks. >> the republicans are taking down the same road of debt. i saw that a long time ago. what dhec, why a republicans voting like democrats? >> then this reverend, a democrat supporting berkowitz for senate race et cetera kelly at last touch with his community. >> a black voters especially voters of color are looking for a candidate who knows who they are already. who knows w