mandy: if kerry matheson was said, id kerry matheson don't see you as my father, i would wait until shet the room and say, she does see me as her father. she needs to say what she needs to say. we are father daughter. it's the who is the student, who is the teacher, who is the parent, who is the child? i have -- i have learned, saul has taught me to be quieter. you see how crazy i get. saul doesn't get that way. charlie: we just saw him lose it. mandy: one time in five years. one time in five years when a lover had betrayed him and jeopardized the whole western world. charlie: did the fact that she was the lover make it harder for him? mandy: yes. trust. charlie: and terrible judgment. mandy: i am in my naked, raw humanity. you fooled me. you lied to me. you tricked me. you used me. you destroyed human beings. you try to get my child. friends of mine, you killed. there are people -- how do i do this? because i don't live on a fictional paper. i infuse things that happen in the real world all around me, real things, real people, real name and some that i imagined, , that i use everything