and its things like creativity, kerry yossi, originality, ingenuity entrepreneurial spirit here and so often those are the qualities that get diminished in a coercive system schooling. we sort of trade originality for obedience in schools. we trade creativity for conformity in schools, and that really sets off those natural human drives for discovery and learning that are so critical now more than ever. >> host: all right. what's a downside to un-schooling? >> guest: you know, i think there is, through upside i think visually as is a moment that families are discovering conventional schooling is not meeting their needs, circa have met the needs of many counties over the past year and now more than ever families are looking for alternatives for support for school choice has soared over the past year. parents were put back in the driver side, they are being re-empowered to take the reins of their children's education and seek other options. and there are so many education entrepreneurs come online learning programs, community resources that are there to step in and support these families