>> kerstin, kerstin, if you are picked up on tape by the government of the united states, accidentally, that information is supposed to disappear into the depths, never to be -- >> i'm just asking you, where did she confirm -- where did she confirm that president obama had donald trump under surveillance? >> well, what she says -- she says in there that the people in the administration were concerned. "the new york times" says -- >> but that's not anything about surveillance. >> what? well, where -- >> she doesn't say anything about surveillance. >> if it's not from surveillance, how did they get the information? >> she's talking about incidental collection! i mean, i feel like we've had this conversation so many times! >> that is surveillance! >> all right. paul beglal, do you think the white house or its allies will be able to distract from all of this by continually bringing up evelyn farkas? >> not just by that, but by everything. it's not a smoking gun, it's a smoke screen. and donald trump is not very good at being president. he's only had ten weeks, but he's driven himself to th

kerstin, to you. you've said neither of these committees can cut it. we need something independent like a 9/11-style commission. >> yeah. i think these are not the first committees to behave in a partisan manner. i think what congressman nunes has done has been sort of out of the norm in terms of his behavior, but typically, if you watch a lot of these hearings, not necessarily intelligence hearings, because they do less in public, but generally, hearings can be very partisan. and with something like this, i think where you have seen, at least on the house side it become overly partisan, and i think david raises an important point. i think from both sides, probably, it would be better to have an independent investigation, and there are people who say, well, you can never find a non-partisan person in washington. that's probably true, but you can find somebody who actually wasn't advising president trump on the campaign. so you know, that would be something that i think we have in both committees we have a situation where these are people who were very

. >> and here's senator kerstin gillibrand after calling the answers unsatisfactory. >> who has beend responsible? have you actually investigated and found guilty anybody? if we can't crack facebook, how are we supposed to be able to confront russian aggression and cyberhacking throughout our military? >> very fired up. nbc's hans nichols is joining me from the pentagon. what happened next here? where does this go today, tomorrow, next week, next month? >> tomorrow in the house of representatives. the house will have a chance to grillle neller as well. today the commandant is at camp lejeune meet with marines. one of their main bases. in general what the marine corps is trying to do is get to the bottom of this by making sure more victims potentially come forward. the marines think there are about ten victims. the journalist who initially broke this story puts the number around 30. he's been the one that's been able to go inside that initial marines united facebook page and onto the google drive and take a look at some of these pictures. the marines said of the 30,000 marines and pot

joining us now, cnn political analyst and usa today columnist, kerstin powers.t's the political power brewing as you see it now? >> the biggest issue will be with republicans. four senators have come out and said they have issues regarding the medicaid expansion. you have this battle shaping up from senators from states tho w.h.o. have the medicare expansion versus those who didn't. right there out of the gate that means that this can't pass unless they can do something to win them over. on the house side you have conservative republicans saying that they want a full repeal of obamacare. they see this as congressman justin amash had said, this is obamacare 2.0, not what they think they were running on, that they were running on a full repeal. i think there will be a lot of work that will have to be done to win over a lot of republicans on this bill. >> compromise, matt, nobody is happy. everybody feels like they lost something. obviously, that's where you want to wind up. the president in his tweet about the plan did suggest this is a first draft, something to b