joining us now is cnn commentator, bakari sellers, and "usa today" columnist, kerstin powers. warren has confirmed essentially what her aides were saying earlier today or at least what two people she talked to afterward said, does this become a bigger point of contention between them publicly now? >> well, i think it's a point of contention because he said it didn't happen, right? it's not -- in itself, i don't actually -- i know a lot of people are trying to make it into a really big deal, but it sounds like, especially based on her longer statement, she refers to this as punditry. so it wasn't bernie sanders saying i don't think a woman should be president. it might have been bernie sanders just saying, you know, that he didn't think that a woman could win in this climate, or something like that. but i think the fact that he has now claimed that it didn't happen and she's saying it did happen, that does turn it into something more than maybe what it would have been if he just would have explained that, you know, that was just his punditry. >> bakari, how do you see it? >> we