how much the way to that day when they have the stability in the month of coming in and therefore keston they continue to believe they have ramped their forecast is far down as possible and they are still missing it so it does, it is remarkable as to how difficult this recession has been for-- from a standpoint of state revenues. [inaudible] >> the only other thing i would mention is everybody was looking for so-called green shoots and today they are now questioning whether the green shoots are really there, so we have got to have the shoots first before we talk at all about revenue. >> thank you. >> the next question is from chris buckley from dnr. please go ahead. >> a quick question about the program cuts. you had talked about in all nine, we have the chart that showed that higher education and k-12 had the highest amount of cuts in terms of the most states making cuts in those areas. do you have numbers in terms of dollar figures which would show by areas by dollar figure got the biggest cuts across all states? >> we didn't specifically ask that in that report. we just ask them if th