is with bing capital ventures, and he was an investor and board member at keva systems, which amazond jon fortt joins us, as well. a.j., great to have you. >> it's great to be here. >> what was your thinking when you saw amazon roll it out the way they did? >> you know, i thought, first of all, what a brilliant publicity stunt, you know, the eve before cyber monday, you know, to have 15 minutes on national tv on "60 minutes" to promote amazon, i thought it was classic bezos brilliance. >> i wonder, though, beyond that, you know, what are we talking about in terms of the likelihood of this sort of thing ever happening? >> you know, i think it was a little bit of a head fake. i think that commercial drones for the purpose of package delivery is probably at least a decade away. and i actually think that amazon's real game plan is to use good old-fashioned trucks, and you think about the grocery delivery that's already being piloted in seattle and in los angeles now, and the idea that they're going to have trucks delivering groceries -- fresh groceries to families and be driving up and d