, he is the father of actor kevin bacon. he took her to the "slums" and said, look how dirty these streets are. look at this new neighborhood and my new project, look how clean and bright they are. she turned to him and said, edwin, where are all of the people? the people were not there. small stores were not there. street life was not there. she went out to celebrate street life as the essence of the city, talking about when you have stores and the classic lady with her eyes on the street, calling the police and knowing who was good and so was bad -- he was bad. she understood how it was destroying the essence of urban life. susan: later in her life, 2004, a sense of how she was thinking at that point in her life. >> think how many attempts there have been of trying to make utopias. not based on the process of real life, but on wishful thinking. how many there have been and what terrible tragedies are behind those failures. the kind of hubris that we can do anything we please if we put our minds to it. we can't. we have to

kevin bacon got canceled, saying africa isn't a country, what's your opinion?con, i don't know if he should be canceled for saying that, but definitely a hefty fine, maybe some stipulations. >> saying what? >> saying that africa wasn't a country. >> for the record? >> for the record, i think that africa is a country. >> of course. [ laughter ] which side are you on, kylie jenner giving lip injections to her 3-year-old daughter? >> something like that, i'd probably cancel her. i think it's a little young. i don't know if her lips are fully developed yet. >> her daughter wanted it and they did have a pediatrician administer it. does that make it okay? >> i think that would make it okay. >> do you think that other people should follow suit? >> hey, i feel if the pediatrician's on board with this, giving lip injections to a young child, a 3-year-old, i think other people should follow suit if they want to do it, as long as it's pediatrician approved. >> where were you when you heard steve from "blue's clues" said god is dead? >> i was in my apartment, it was on soc

she went to see the city planner in philadelphia, edwin bacon, actually the father of the actor kevin bacon, 1° of separation there. i am not making that up. he took her to the "slums" and said, look how dirty these streets are. look at this new neighborhood and my new project, look how clean and bright they are. what an improvement. she turned to him and said, edwin, where are all of the people? that is what was missing. the people were not there. small stores were not there. street life was not there. and she went out to celebrate street life as the essence of the city, famously talking about when you have stores and the classic lady with her eyes on the street, seeing who is the good guy, the bad guy, calling the police. she understood how it was destroying the essence of urban life. susan: we found a clip of jane jacobs later in her life, 2004, just to give you a sense of how she was thinking at that point in her life. [video clip] >> think how many attempts there have been of trying to make utopias. not based on the process of real life, but on wishful thinking. how many there have bee

get on the right side of this issue as it will be for the likes of kevin mccarthy, and others who voted against bringing home the bacon of steel and concrete for their constituents. that used to be a really stupid thing to do for a member of congress. i think it still is a really stupid thing to do for members of congress. >> it was unheard of back in the day, along with so many other things. michael, i have about 45 seconds. michis there any middle ground n the house. you talk to a lot of people. does anyone like me in a parking lot, democrat, republicans, moderates, to work together? is there a flag in a flowerpot signal when they are going to talk? does any of that happen anymore? >> you put the king underneath the mat outside of a remote hotel and, you know, in its in some dark part of d.c.. no, there is no incentive created by the leadership to go across the aisle, and get some things done. numbers do find ways to craft, you know, a relationship around some legislation. the stuff that you are not seeing or hearing about, brian, every day, but on the big things that really metaphor helping the country move forward

of disciplining our members and kevin has signaled his willingness to do it, but then he's trumped, so to speak, by speaker pelosi and steny hoyer. >> representative bacon, good to talk to you. you've got a lot of policy issues that i think you and i would like to continue to discuss so i invite you back to have discussions. sometimes we can talk politics and approximately see. >> i always enjoy interviewing with you. you do a great job. >> republican bacon of nebraska. joining me is eugene, reporter with "the washington post." >> house democrats and two republicans, the two on the january 6th committee and the two whom you would expect voted to censure him and to sfrip him of committee assignments and to many viewers that might mean the same thing and you heard representative bacon say two thing, not removing him from his committee assignments. your thoughts on this? >> well, you have to look at what many of the people on the receiving end of the violence that people believe the congressman was communicating and advancing and re-tweeting that post that impacted congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez. a message is being sent to people on the ground floo