sticker and when i was in federal the tension they put the free kevin bumper sticker in the air. >> thank you very much. >> i think you are next. mike is next to you. i can't hear you. >> you do enough -- >> the microphone. >> does the white hacker gives you enough interest in what used to be -- >> my drive for hacking was intellectual capacity and pursuit of knowledge, deduction of adventure. never about stealing money for writing malware. i got a huge endorphin rush when i was able to crack a system because it was like a video game by passing a security obstacle. i get the same endorphins today. i really feel good about it and it is thrill seeking. i get paid for what i did illegally years ago. which is pretty good. it is like how to take something that is a criminal activity and make it legal. >> when i saw you -- i knew -- nfc cellphone payments where they want to have -- it is -- is that pretty easily breakable as well? >> i haven't messed with that. there is a guy that if you google his name -- a hacker security code in las vegas was able to intercept at a substantial distance

bumper of his car. it's time to come clean, kevin. (grunts) i, um... i lost my job a year ago. and, uh...eply) (exhales) i couldn't get hired anywhere. we were deep in debt, and i just... (sighs) unraveled. quite a leap to meth manufacturing. one of my cousins used to be a dealer. he told me i could get out of the hole i was in by cooking meth. i thought maybe if i could right myself, i... i could get things back to the way they used to be. how did daniel find out? it was so early in the morning, i-i... i never expected anyone to hear me. but he was coming home from vicki's house. suddenly, he was just there in the shed, asking me what the hell i was doing. are you aware that the waste product from your meth lab has contaminated the air and soil of the entire neighborhood? it's already killed your neighbor's dog. if daniel hadn't found out... how many people would've been next? so you got the drop on daniel with the shop cloth and... i, um... i took his car out into the woods, and, um... i pushed it over. (voice breaks) i just, uh... (sniffles) (exhales) i couldn't have anything else take