kobe, derrick rose, kevin durrant, derek fisher and a few others. that was something that they got on a lark in the sense that some rich mogul in the philippines wanted them to go. so he reached out to derek, and derek puts the plan together and told them what they need. when these guys go out and into into these kinds of deals on their own, it can opens their eyes and they begin to understand more about the business and what their own personal worth is. not just the u.s., for the global market. i don't think there any players in the world who are better known globally than nba basketball players. and so, that's -- i think it clearly adds an impact. i don't encourage them to go, but by the same token were not going to stand in the way if they elect to go. >> well, at this point i'm going to open it up for the audience. we've been going for a while, so ma'am, do you have a question? >> yes. >> , give one caveat to the audience? particularly as it pertains to billy hunter. a lot of us are attorneys here, if we're about to go to trial, somebody asked u