. >> joining me with more on this is kevin eckstrom, editor-in-chief of "religion news service." kevin, a lot of catholics disagreed with how paul ryan applied his catholic faith to his budget plan. >> right, and what's interesting is paul ryan has been on the catholic radar screen for a long time and you know when the nuns on the bus went out this summer to advocate for social justice, it wasn't a mistake that they actually stopped at his congressional office in wisconsin. it's interesting, because the church for the last couple of years has really put a priority on the life issues, abortion and gay marriage, and they've said that joe biden and barack obama are completely wrong on this issue but in recent months, as the budget becomes a bigger issue and more in the news, they've really put an emphasis on the economic stuff and they have been very pointed in their criticism of not only the republican plan but also paul ryan who was the architect of that plan so it will be interesting to watch the sort of church's divided loyalties on this one. >> and i have heard some catholics sa