they couldn't attack the damaging testimony of kevin freeman. man they believed murdered ray liuzza. >> freeman was shot dead in 1995 while committing a robbery. >> with freeman dead, his previous testimony stood as evidence that thompson had committed the liuzza murder. >> we had all this evidence that freeman had lied in his original testimony and we wouldn't be able to use that evidence effectively if we couldn't cross examine him live on the stand. >> michael and gordon proposed an unorthodox solution. after freeman's testimony was read into the record, they would cross examine the empty witness chair as if freeman was on the stand. >> we took the evidence of the lies and put them into the form of questions. >> you told the jury you didn't know that john thompson was going to rob someone. isn't it true, however, that you sat out to rob someone. >> silence hung in the air after each question was posed giving the jury time to imagine freeman's response. >> you suggested in your testimony that you stole nothing from mr. liuzza at all. but you a

for more go to our website and visit upcoming programs >> kevin freeman, what do you do for a living? >> i am an investment manager. >> host: and what is the the thesis of this book? >> guest: enemies of the united states, radical islam and elements in russia noticed how vulnerable we were and they started targeting aig, citi bank and using techniques with the intent of crashing our stalk market. sounds like a conspiracy theory but it isn't. the former treasure secretary said the russian's approaches the chinese and said if we dumpthdump the holdings of the american debt we can crater the economy. and the russians did it and it worseni worsened our situation. >> you have a follow up. >> i got into the chinese dock doctrine that was written by the people's public of china and two colonels wrote this in 1999 and said the best way to beat america is wall street attack, cyber attacks or ruining the currency. so i looked at what happened in 2008- 2008-2009. and i looked forward to what could be happening. our next war is going to be cyber economic in nature and say they will crash the econ

. >> kevin freeman, what do you do for a living? >> i'm aman manager, investment manager, iwho are you writing books about security. >> guest: in 2008 when the stock market started to collapse my clients were losing money and i wanted to understand why. so i started digging into it. i found evidence of financial terrorism in the 2008 collapse. i shared it with friends who were connected to the pentagon and the fbi, and the next thing i knew i was a government contractor doing research, which came out in 2009, found unequivocally there were evidence of foreign terrorism, financial terrorisms as part of the took market crash. >> host: that resulted in your first book. >> guest: came out in 2012, titled "secret weapons." >> host: what's the thesis of the book. >> guest: basically enwhen we were doing crazy thinking in the housing bubble, enemies of the united states, particularly radical islam, elements elemente pla, noticed our vulnerability economically and started using teak instincts to target leeman brothers, aig, city bank, galle