ben white is the chief economic correspondent with politico and kevin hasset, a top former federal reserve board economist. ben white, i love you. but this forecast is nuts. they're out of that aof their m. you can't get this 60s wsix way thursday. >> it may be help, but -- >> not even remote. >> gallop down, but there is some money in the fourth quarter that would have been spent that won't be spent. some of it will get caught up. but who knows if it's $25 billion, $50 billion, probably less than that, but not a helpful thing. >> i think it's 15, 20 basis points. i agree with your first point. this did that help confidence no question. i break agree with that. but i believe there were 400,000 furloughed workers. they will get paid back.reak ag. but i believe there were 400,000 furloughed workers. they will get paid back.eak agr. but i believe there were 400,000 furloughed workers. they will get paid back.ak agre. but i believe there were 400,000 furloughed workers. they will get paid back.k agree. but i believe there were 400,000 furloughed workers. they will get paid back. agree . but i

this week kevin hasset and andy mcclofsky wrote an op-ed in the "wall street journal" entitled obama rewrites debt limit history which i think rewrites the history of the debt limit in a more accurate way. they write -- and i quote -- "according to the congressional research service congress voted 58 times -- 53 times in 35 years of recent history. they go on to write that -- and i quote again -- congressional republicans who want legislative conditions in exchange of a debt limit increase are following a strategy that has been pursued by both parties the majority of the time. of the 53 increases in the debt limit, 26 were clean. that is stand-alone, no strings attached statutes. the remaining debt limit increases were part of an omnibus package of other legislative bills or a continuing resolution. other times the limit was paired with reforms, only some of which were related to the budget. end quote. to reiterated, mr. president, out of 53 increases in the debt limit, less than half were what we call clean or stand-alone measures. the others had other legislation associated with th

mark zandi and kevin hasset will join us soon about what they expect from the jobs report and what we >> bernie could move here theoretically, did you hear him. >> right now, let's get a check on the markets. u.s. equity futures are now. they're not doing anything, they're up three points. yesterday wasn't that bad. >> probably true if you're -- >> up on the s&p as we've seen recently. >> if you're 1 in a million here in the united states, there's probably four of you in china just by population. >> well more than that. >> there's four joe kernans somewhere. >> there might be an actual me over there. >> that's right. theoretically. >> like a billion -- >> i think things are, i mean, $85 billion a month, rub it all over and it's not going anywhere, liesman. >> i don't think so. >>> some earnings to tell you about. dupont reporting a third quarter profit of 35 cents a share, 4 cents above estimates. the company says it sees modest growth in earnings for the full year despite a significant decline in results for its performance chemicals unit. united technologies, the dow component a rep