i really think kevin hearn is the safest pick for republicans.because nobody knows who he is, and so maybe everybody can rally around him. certainly, conservative. the interesting thing about donalds, he's the only freedom caucus member. you can make a case for why they can't get there, and the member i keep thinking about is clay granger, the house appropriations change, an institutionalist who stopped jim jordan. i think if she sees a byron donald of some of these others, she's going to say are we really going to do this? if you have kevin hearn, somebody who came from the business world, has run the republican study commitment, this is it for republicans. if it's not one of these nine, they're not going to have a speaker. >> he also, by the way, donalds, made false misleading statements at this first biden impeachment hearing trying to put up supposed evidence that wasn't real. let's talk about the florida aspect of this too. he and gaetz are rumored to want to run for governor. are these runs and all of this noise about the two of them each w

kevin hearn, also very personable, mcdonald's franchise owner.eeply conservative and proposed in the past cuts to futures of security -- social security medicare benefits but someone who is well-liked. mike johnson is number five in the leadership. dan muse are from pennsylvania through his hat in the ring. gary palmer from alabama, he is a republican policy committee chair man, deeply conservative but a quiet figure. it could go to someone like palmer if the conservatives and moderates get into a deadlock and look for someone who is in the middle. host: keri in virginia, independent. you are next. caller: i was listening this morning, i find this to be a very important subject. i wanted to say to you, moderator, i'm disappointed for your ableist mention of antidepressants. for all of those people out there who have a situation with disability regarding suicidality , -- host: you are right, i should not have. i'm sorry. i should not have joked about that. william, republican in pennsylvania. caller: you keep calling jim jordan an extra must. nanc

and, kevin hen, we appreciate your -- kevin hearn, we appreciate your time.powerful majority leader, whatever, we hope you'll come back on the show. but we we appreciate you today, great information, thank you. >> thanks, larry. larry: coming up here on "kudlow," joe biden's iran appeasement has put at least an extra that $60 billion in iran's pockets. now, folks, exactly what do you think iran's doing with that money? take a guess. anyway, we're going to talk about it with distinguished senator eric schmitt from missouri. plus there may be more inflation than folks think. got real bad wholesale price inflation report today. former federal reserve governor kevin warsh going to weigh in. please stick around with "kudlow." we'll be right back, straigh so, you have diabetes, and your glucose is heading low. [ alert sound ] dexcom g7, the most accurate cgm, can alert you before you go too low. now, that's more peace of mind with dexcom g7. ♪ ♪ ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life ins

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david: we have kevin hearn coming on, he's a nominee for that position. would you support him? do you think he's qualified to be speaker? >> i have a lot of faith in of the folks that are running. i've not made a decision. the only decision i made was not to get in myself. my wife and i both got a lot of calls both from our our state in tennessee and throughout the conference. i just didn't feel like it was what god wanted used to do right now, so that's the decision i've made. the person i pick, that decision hasn't been made yet. david: i think most americans after what they've seen for the past several weeks could understand your decision not to want that position right now. [laughter] congressman green, great to see you. thank you so much for being here, appreciate it. >>> well, in the next hour as i mentioned, a fox exclusive with republican congressman kevin hearn. he is launching his bid for speaker as the house remains frozen. >>> coming up, two u.s. hostages are, thankfully, free today but families, many more, await answers. the father of a missing american israeli is

so it is jim jordan and steve ka lease and kevin hearn are going to appear ahead of bret baier mondayo do this joint interview to talk about the ek spooership. i think that, kate, again, this is going to highlight, and i sound like a broken record sometimes, but it is highlighting the closeness of fox news and the right wing channel to the gop channel, and there is a reason they are going to fox news, because it is effective the arm of the republican party, and bret baier is of course, different than people like shawn hannity who have made endorsements already in the speaker race, but nonetheless, they are close, and symbiotic, and it is just remarkable. >> and the fact that it is remarkable, that it is unremarkable that someone like sean hannity is making endorzmentes is -- endorsements. and so, congressman john jimenez says it is terrible idea, and they don't have the pulse of the conference. >>> and inhuman attack. one of the deadliest attacks since the invasion of ukraine began. >>> and inhuman attack. >>>, >>> so, this morning we learned that the u.s. added 336,000 jobs which is

>> mike johnson would be a good pick, kevin hearn and him have a similar voting record.ill see hearn back in. mike johnson had a lot of support going into the conference this last time. about 100 votes and emma is like 117 so now i don't know the left side of our party will be but there was a motion from somebody, any democrat district to bring johnson back up. i don't know a single member in the conference that has anything to say about mike johnson, well-liked within the conference, a conservative in his belt, he spent in leadership the last couple of years so certainly somebody i think the whole conference can rally behind. >> let's listen to your colleagues in the fight here. >> i think people are tired of all of this. if you don't deal with the consequences of those who worked to put it in here, putting a new person each time we will be in the same place we work before defective fix that. the question earlier, are we afraid we are where some republics make work with democrats? that's already taking place. >> what we are working thr through -- >> what are your reserv

i think that's kevin hearn. >> haven't ticked anybody off is a good point, if you want to be speaker of the house. talk about the flipside. we're day 21 with no spoker. is there a chance, that no one is able to emerge with 217? >> it's been kicked around before. we doubt that jesus christ could get 217 votes. i don't think we're at that level of pessimism today. because of the agreements in our conference, we're whittled down to men who can meet people in the middle. people like kevin hearn, mike johnson, who can bring in the freedom caucus and bring in more of the liberal or moderate republicans. the key will be getting the majority today and looking for the roll call vote so everyone can get up and tell where they stand. that person can go to the holdouts if you want to call them that, and try to win them over. >> i will say, people are not afraid to stand up on the ballot. it's not public opposition that's holding this thing up. c kevin mccarthy is calling them the crazy eight as this point. you know who they are. >> well, i'm not into name calling. >> not me. that's kevin mccarth

where do those supporters for kevin hearne and byron donald go?go to tom emmer or mike johnson? what about the four members who voted present or for someone else? that's six ballots right there. if all members of the house vote, there are still six holdouts, we don't elect a speaker. they can only tolerate four defections on the floor. neil: we are separately hearing a new york republican, referring to congressman emmer as speaker designate. that would imply he has been chosen as the republican conference's choice and submitting his name and candidacy to the full house. that's the way it would go. the washington examiner, he is the guy, no sure bet he will ultimately be the guy but what do you make of this? >> i'm not sure what makes tom emmer any better to win a floor vote than kevin mccarthy, steve scalise or jim jordan, still have this fundamental problem that the conference is internally divided, republicans who see themselves as institutionalized and a lot of distress that only worsened over all these failed rounds of floor voting. amer has t

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geoff: kevin hearn is saying he doesn't have the baggage of the republicans have.t does jim jordan's quick rise and fall signal, if anything? >> the fractures in the republican party and many more directions than we realize. there is a break not just between the freedom caucus kinds of conservatives, matt gaetz types who will go against everyone at all costs. then there are those with jim jordan who have a trump agenda as well. i think there was something to learn from the votes. let's go over exactly what happened with jim jordan. yesterday he received 199 republican votes. today that went to 194 votes. the secret ballot, an hour after that floor vote, 80 six votes from the same republicans who had just given him 194 votes. it will not shock our audience that politicians are doing something in public very different than what they believe in private. there is a rule where republicans are supposed to support their nominee on the floor. nonetheless, they were supporting a man they did not want to be speaker. geoff: what happens on monday? >> we will have speeches fro

we're hearing names that people like steve scalise, jim jordan, kevin hearn. do you like any of those? have you heard -- >> i love them. they're all great. >> have you heard from them tonight? >> no, i have not. but actually, i've been on the media trail pretty hot and heavy. i think elise stefanik could be one. maybe mark green out of tennessee. there's a lot of people that -- we have a very deep bench. i don't think that's going to be the problem. and i think once we elect this person i think we can probably do it in the first round, and i think also people will rally around them and you'll see just like when you put a new quarterback in in the second half after you've been getting beat up on a little bit you start taking command. >> yeah, we've seen that at alabama a lot this season. when it comes to what -- >> is that a shot over the bow of being a tennessee boy? y'all play football in alabama? i'm trying to -- >> we'll get back to that in a moment. but when it comes to what the rules for the next house speaker actually look like, will you insist on keepin

oklahoma republican kevin hearn says he is also considering a run. >> conservative and i'm not mad about it. so that's that's good. i think that's a good way to go in the republican party. i think we need to pointing organs out. we're not in each other. >> there is a lot of concern in congress and white house about what the vacancy could mean. everyone agrees even if a new speaker is chosen as soon as next week, it could take time for that person to get up to speed and part of what's worrying everybody, including the president, the fate of spending legislation, including more potential funding for ukraine. it is due in 40 days more than any. we need to change the poisonous atmosphere in washington. >> you know, we have strong disagreements, but we he just stop seeing each other as enemies. did talk to one another. listener want work with and we can do that. >> the plan, at least for now, the republicans are hoping to be the new speaker will make their pitch next tuesday when house reconvenes. the goal a vote on a new as soon as one state. no. alan grant. >> all right. thanks a lot, cathe

steve scalise, roger williams at a texas, joey harrington out of texas, kevin hearne, jim jordan.ven asked elise stefanik but she's not interested. some others can do it as well so i'm not as worried about that but they understand the urgency of our fiscal ship. we are taking in $5 trillion per year and spending $7 trillion. i don't care who's on the white house, that's wrong. as you know, our credit rating was recently knocked down a notch and that has only happened , that's the second time it's happened and they said the reason was leadership, maturity in the leadership and fiscal responsibility. they said that's over the last 20 years. that cuts both ways, that's both parties. host: other than spending, what is your criteria for the next speaker to get your vote? guest: i think they need to have -- it sounds kind of trendy -- but i think they need to have a vision of where the country is going and it's not to put proposals up on the wall and see which one can get the most votes. that's not principled and it's not smart and that's not what our country needs. we need someone who

host: let's listen to congressman kevin hearn.e has the republican study committee and this is what he had to say tuesday night. >> i've been asked by many people to consider running. obviously name was brought up in the first of january. it was not the right time to be considered for that role, i did not think based on the current state of affairs. but today with speaker mccarthy no longer ours speaker. it is time to look forward. we need somebody to unite the party and move forward and work on the appropriations bill. and things that matter to americans need to get addressed. this is one further distraction to the american people. they want real result and i believe i can deliver them if the people want to put me in that place. host: kevin hearn a potential speaker candidate. when the house returns they do more rounds of voting for the speaker. we will see if the republican conference can corral behind one candidate or if it is several and if it is a repeat of january where there are numerous rounds of voting for speaker of the

oklahoma republican kevin hearn says he is also considering a run. >> conservative and i'm not mad about it. so that's that's good. i think that's a good way to go in the republican party. i think we need to pointing our guns out. we're not in each other. >> there is a lot of concern in congress and white house about what the vacancy could mean. everyone agrees even if a new speaker is chosen as soon as next week, it could take time for that person to get up to speed and part of what's worrying everybody, including the president, the fate of spending legislation, including more potential funding for ukraine. it is due in 40 days more than any. we need to change the poisonous atmosphere in washington. >> you know, we have strong disagreements, but we he does stop seeing each other as enemies the to talk to one another listener want work with and we can do that. >> the plan, at least for now, the republicans hoping to be the new speaker will make their pitch next tuesday when the house reconvenes. the goal. a vote on a new speaker. as soon as wednesday. vicki and grant, thank you, catherin

jim jordan and kevin hearn, you can see them right there, they are to participate, and that is swirling around the house conference, and in the meantime, donald trump is putting his full support behind jim jordan. lauren fox is joining us. how is jim jordan reacting to the endorsement that came in over knight. >> yeah, i mean, you can expect that he is grateful for the former president's endorsement, and a question of whether or not this is really going to help him in the race given that he had large swathes of the republican bloc and members of the house freedom caucus behind him. those are the same members who might look to donald trump as a potential arbiter as to who could be the next speaker. i wanted to get to some new news as reported from melanie zanona, that he wants to talk to some people of the caucus before the interview with bret baier, and this is also his impact to win over the moderates and system of the members who are close allies of kevin mccarthy, but our colleague manu raju caught up with jim jordan earlier today about the trump endorsement, and this what he said. >

are those who have jumped into the race, tom emmer, byron who's part of the freedom caucus and kevin hearn who leads the party who's the largest conservative caucus. but as of right now it's shaping up to be a messy candidate race. it's going to be a while before they're able to unify around a candidate. right now no speaker, no consensus, no ability to govern. melanie zanona, cnn, capitol hill. >>> let's bring in political commentator and cnn contributor errol louis. former speaking majority mccarthy suggested tom emmer. does he have a better shot, i guess, than any of the other candidates thus far? >> good morning, victor. he has a bit of a shot. it's unclear what's going to happen when they have this beauty contest, if you want to call it that, on monday. look, the reality is there's a question underlying all of this turmoil they're going to have to answer. whether they answer it on monday or any other time, they're going to have to e decide whether this chaos caucus is going to be what the party stands for, at least the congressional delegation. the congress has to decide whether they

there are three main names in the mix, steve scalise, jim jordan and kevin hearn looking at the race.calise is next in line. >> i support steve scalise for speaker. i spoke with jim jordan last night and i have tremendous respect for jim. we need unity right now. we need someone who's a uniter. steve scalise has a proven record of bringing our conference together. >> he is a prolific fundraiser for the gop, some republicans note the divides between kevin mccarthy and scalise. that is why some gop members may tilt toward jordan as the house tries to eliminate internal tensions. >> difference those that exist in the republican party pale in comparison to the differences between us and the radical left which controls the democrat party. we had better stick together, we'd better come together to fight for the things that make our country the greatest nation ever in the things the american people elected us to do. >> reporter: it is unclear if republicans can pull out a candidate quickly or the race could take a while. there's one theory electing a speaker could consume weeks. >> reporter:

. >> as you know, steve scalise, jim jordan, and kevin hearn are actively soliciting support right now within the republican conference. hearn, unlike the other two, hasn't formally announced he's running but do you have a preference right now, congressman? would you first of all support any of them? >> no, i don't have a preference of these three. and i think we need to have a real reckoning within the conference when we meet next week. number one, i want to hear how any of these candidates plan to handle holding these eight members accountable. they voted with 208 democrats to torpedo our house republican majority. the american people elected us to govern. to serve as a check and balance on the biden agenda and everything that we've been focused on from cutting spending to securing our border was just imperilled by these eight individuals starting with matt gaetz. and it was purely petty, personal, and political reasons why they did this. this is not a policy dispute. this wasn't a situation where hey, you know what, my district believes this and we're going to vote on this policy po

they are the majority leader steve scalise, the judiciary chairman jim jordan, and kevin hearn.u look at their grade somewhere they live on support for ukraine, the republicans for ukraine outside of europe has created them. steve scalise has a b. jordan has an f. hearn has an f. when asked about the potential for more aid, jim jordan threw cold water on it. >> i have been clear all along, why should we be sending american taxpayers to ukraine when we don't even know what the goal is? no one can tell me what the objective is. i don't think we should continue to spend money there when we have the problems on our border. >> talking to democrats like senator tim kaine, they see these comments and they say that is not this is nearly a hard no. what could happen is the senate could try to piece together a larger ukraine aid package with some border security funding in it. they think if they are able to do that, they could potentially get jim jordan or steve scalise and they are republican conference on board for that. if those house republicans try to add on anything that would restr

kevin hearn who is a congressman is keeping his options open. where do you think this lands? who do you think has the momentum at their backs at this point? >> well, i think first of all, it will be really hard to get a two-way team. i would think between scalise and ready enjoy, they'll split the conference. remember, there are just a couple more, four or 5 votes beyond that. if you get a sasable number for both of them, no one will be anywhere near. and that's one of the reasons mccarthy was elected back in january in the first place. he was the only one out there who could get 218 votes. i mean, unless one of them gives way, i think it will be a long difficult process. we may look back at last january when there were 15 rounds and say that was easy. that was a tea party compared to what we'll face this time around. on a logical basis, you would say steve scalise has a lot of support within the conference. one of the things that he faces is real questions about his health. because of the fact, he survived that shooting back if 2017. now he's fighting multiple myeloma. that

kevin hearn has dropped out to his support to mike johnson.gain. the question is will any of them get to the magic number. let's bring in our panel. leslie marshall and fox news contributor steve hill. steve, you have seen a lot of crazy stuff here. this is really crazy. >> this is what happens when you have a very small majority. you saw this chaos in the uk parliament when teresa may completely messed up the political calculation. there's one exception. nancy pelosi was somehow able to make things happen and corral her troops with a very small majority. kevin mccarthy was showing pretty good signs of doing that on a lot of substantive things for most of the year. now you have the complete shambling. it's not embarrassing just for those engaged in the shambles. all the republicans getting ready to run for office at the local level, the state level, trying to make a difference in their communities. raising money, trying to get volunteers, knocking on doors saying, vote for me, i'm a republican. for you? this is what we get if we vote republica

now you have new names, byron donalds, to the right of the conference, kevin hearn, unfortunately the been set, all it takes is 5 or 6 people and they decide their ego hasn't been stroked enough and they can say they won't go along with this. they have to figure out this is about moving legislation, against these budget negotiations and the supplemental requests coming along from the president. none of that can happen when the house is in paralysis. susan: should they go into private session, papal election and one candidate after another until we see the white smoke coming out of the chimney? >> i don't know how they will do this but i thought jim jordan was a preposterous suggestion. he represents one extreme wing of the party. the parties divided. they have to find somebody who can reach across to both sides and jim jordan was not that person. the person who is the speaker is a fundraiser and a legislator and he was neither one of those things. there are some names. i see mike turner, people on the republican study committee which is a version of the freedom caucus. who could be po

kevin mccarthy is endorsing the house majority with an kevin hearn says he is planning to throw his hat but the kicker here the house republicans have gone home for the weekend they are punching this decision until sometime next week because there is not enough going on in the world right now. >> jesse watters: i am putting your hat in the ring. problem solved break up next new details about the death of obama's chef. >> isru it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq. rinvoq is not a steroid, topical, or injection. it's one pill, once a day. many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin while some saw up to 100% clear skin. and, they felt dramatic and fast itch relief some as early as 2 days. that's rinvoq relief. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers including lymphoma and skin cancer, death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to

we have representatives mike johnson, kevin hearne, austin scott and tom emmer and byron donalds. >>nchor of "inside politics sunday," manu raju joining us now from washington. manu, and this list could grow. so does it make it more difficult for republicans then to coal hes around others. >> they have until noon today to actually make their intentions known. and then next week, actually on tuesday, will be the private leadership election. just a majority is necessary in order to get the nomination to be speaker of house. but the challenge is going to be getting the votes on the house floor. 217 votes is what you need to be elected speaker. meaning you can't lose more than four republicans if all republicans are voting. and that is opinion the challenge for jim jordan and ended his bid for the speakership. that was the challenge for steve scalise. who is trying to go forward but found it more than about roughly a dozen up to two dozen threatening to oppose him. and this is all started after that unprecedented moment now nearly three weeks ago when kevin mccarthy was ousted, members o

out there that get mentioned, like could patrick mchenry who is serving in this interim role, kevin hearne of oklahoma, who when steve scalise was poised to become speaker was going to make a play for majority leader, he is a fallback? right now he's supporting jordan. tom cole is mentioned also at times as sort of a senior statesman. but there is nobody in this republican conference right now who clearly has 217 votes. remember, that's because it is such a narrow majority. they only have four votes to lose. if a republican member is going to become speaker, on solely republican votes. >> ron desantis said, you know, this is -- what a clown show, i think he said, austin scott was saying it looks -- makes us look like a bunch of idiots. to your point, the world is watching and it is -- it is kind of embarrassing. >> it is embarrassing. no doubt. it is, you know, one of our two major political parties just in complete disarray, inability. they have the majority. what do you to with the majority? you govern. i think it is all those things, but it is also a little bit more serious than that. a

louisiana, i could see myself jody arrington of texas fred i could see myself supporting kevin hearn of oklahoma. there are even people outside o the night states congress brit. >> before we hand this to "the five", speaker kevin with her carthy is out. more than 70 to hours ago he seemed like the king of the world. he kept the government from going into shutdown at or aroun things giving, that was then, h is a former speaker now. they say that in washington, th fall from grace can be mighty and quick, even when you have the overwhelming support of you own party, until of you in that party revolt. today they revolted. matt gates left them and now kevin mccarthy will fight to get his old job back. ♪ >> locum everybody and jesse water along with judge jeanine pirro, katie pavlich, and greg gutfeld. it is 5:00 o'clock in new york city and this is "the five". ♪ >> on this boat, the yeas are t 16, the nays r2 ten. the resolution is adopted without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table the office of speaker of the house of the united states hous of representatives is here

host: are you talking about kevin hearn? caller: yeah, kevin hearn.hink he would make a great speaker. host: let's talk to carl in alabama on the line for democrats. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. i just want to speak on the change of speakership with the republicans. it is like, pick your poison. i think kevin mccarthy was bad, but if they select jim jordan, i think he is going to be an abject disaster. i do not see anything getting passed, we know that donald trump has already endorsed him. i think the only thing he is going to be interested in doing is whatever donald trump says he is doing, that would include the investigations of the biden's. the obamas, the clintons -- it is whatever donald trump tell jordan to do, that is what he is going to do. i think it is really sad, but the country. i just not know who would be a good choice on the republican side to become speaker of the house. you know? they are not interested in compromise. host: all right, carl. take a look at what truth sayer says on x. top local news property taxes

host: are you talking about kevin hearn? caller: yeah, kevin hearn. think he would make a great speaker. host: let's talk to carl in alabama on the line for democrats. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. i just want to speak on the change of speakership with the republicans. it is like, pick your poison. i think kevin mccarthy was bad, but if they select jim jordan, i think he is going to be an abject disaster. i do not see anything getting passed, we know that donald trump has already endorsed him. i think the only thing he is going to be interested in doing is whatever donald trump says he is doing, that would include the investigations of the biden's. the obamas, the clintons -- it is whatever donald trump tell jordan to do, that is what he is going to do. i think it is really sad, but the country. i just not know who would be a good choice on the republican side to become speaker of the house. you know? they are not interested in compromise. host: all right, carl. take a look at what truth sayer says on x. top local news property taxe

and that led to the ouster of his speakership and then certifying the 2020 election, and kevin hearneed for both. tom emmer voted for both. byron donalds didn't vote for the spending bill and against certifying the elections and jack burgman from michigan voted for the spending bill against certifying the election and mike johnson from louisiana, someone seen as a serious candidate in this race, voted against both. so, that is -- the issue of certifying the election is something that some of the trump allies have already been seizing upon. because emmers and some others voted to certify the 2020 election. >> absolutely. and while donald trump endorsed jim jordan for the gavel, and republicans didn't follow through, we're going to see the next test here. because from what we understand from sources, trump is actively lobbying against emmer right now. right. so part of it is because of that vindictive nature of him voting to certify the 2020 election. maybe someone like pete sessions emerges, if emmer doesn't. pete sessions was at the helm the last time that republicans had this red wav

. >> and a bunch of candidates for speaker, kevin hearne, byron donalds, mike johnson, jack burgman, of them voted to object to the electoral college results in arizona, pennsylvania and to disenfranchise millions of americans based on those lies. is that disqualifying? >> certainly. i think there is nt tells you, 140 members of house republican conference voted to object and voted to object after the violence. >> after people were dead. after bodies were lying dead in the capitol? >> and after the mob that donald trump provoked had invaded. so, it is certainly should be a disqualification. and i think if it isn't a disqualification, it will send a clear message, one more clear message to voters,' they think about who they are going to vote for in 2024, to what extent can you trust this group of republicans to defend the constitution if they're unwilling to even acknowledge that rulings of the courts, as well as the constitutional process that unfolded and the complete lack of evidence as well as all of the testimony that we put on in our hearings, in the january 6 committee, from th

jordan was the founding chairman of that conservative freedom caucus, as well as from folks like kevin hearn that run the republican study committee and across the spectrum. jim jordan does have enormous support. however, jim jordan will run into the same problem steve scalise did and kevin mccarthy did. he will need to have practically the support of the entire 221 members of the republican conference in order to move ahead on the house floor. you need 217, a simple majority. that will be an incredible feat. already last night we heard from several members who said they were in the never jim jordan camp, including in wagoner. i was texting with anne wagner late last night and anne wagner, when i asked if you will be supporting jim jordan she wrote back "hell no." jim jordan has an incredible uphill battle. the only cap yacht will be -- the only cap yacht -- the only caveat will be of house republicans can come together and decide they want to change the rules of the speaker's race, meeting lowering the threshold that is needed in order to go to the floor and rally around their candidate so

there's also some talk about kevin hearn, the leader of the republican -- >> so much chaos on capitolill that the lights and the cameras aren't even working there. no speaker, no camera, no dice this morning. obviously -- i don't even know what camera i'm on. we'll get lauren fox up back as soon as we can. the bottom line, kate, there is no speaker, no date to elect the next speaker, and there is a lot of jockeying right now. who will be next, that's the game, not really a ga im, that's the serious situation right now facing republicans on capitol hill. >> they couldn't get anything done because it was total chaos last night, so they've thrown in the towel. they'll come back on tuesday. we'll see what happens between now and then. but there's still a lot of -- i mean, there's a real hangover on capitol hill right now about what they're facing in the republican majority. let's talk to one of those republicans who's now having to deal with the fallout now. republican congressman anthony esposito of new york is joining us now. thanks for taking the time. you did not support this move the

majority leader steve scalise and oklahoma's kevin hearn.ight now candidates are vying for support behind closed doors. and they'll make their case before the full conference a the republican forum next tuesday with a full house vote for speaker expected by wednesday. let's take you now live to capitol hill and cnn's lauren fox, who joins us live. so lauren, while jim jordan jockeys for support, he's downplaying concerns that he may be too far to the right to win over the moderates in his conference. >> reporter: yeah, the maneuvering well under way, boris. and one thing that became very clear as some of these potential candidates and jim jordan, an official candidate can, spoke with members of the texas delegation is that this race for speaker is very much alive right now as many republicans are hoping and arguing that it is important for the republican conference to unite quickly. that in fact was the message from jim jordan. but he is already warning that on some issues he is still going to be fighting for conservatives. here he is on the

kevin hearn was considering a bid.d out and decided to go for majority leader, but, of course, that's not going to be a seat because steve scalise is staying in his position and not running for speaker. the reality is republicans are growing -- they're not sure there's going to be another name that could come up. if steve scalise couldn't do it, if jim jordan couldn't do it, it's unclear who could be the next nominee. of course, democrats waiting because they say they're okay with nominating hakeem jeffries. he already has the majority, every single democrat for his support, but it's unclear if that's someone, of course, nominated for speaker. it doesn't seem any republicans will vote for him, either, jonathan. >> this chaos in the house for gop comes as congress is not able to send aid to israel, and, of course t government shutdown looms in just a month's time. politico's daniella diaz joining us this morning. >>> still ahead here on "way too early," we'll turn to the latest business headlines with our friends at cnb

tom emmer, mike johnson of louisiana, jody arrington of texas and kevin hearn of oklahoma. >> the only thing that is clear we're in for a period of deep division among the gop. you are looking at scalise that was mentioned. perhaps the frontrunner along with tom emmer, alease stephanopoulos and johnson and jordan on that list. we'll find out what is happening. the real challenge, whoever they end up choosing, bill, is that there is a november 17th deadline for the government to run out of money again and it is highly unclear that there would be anything different this go around and with that one-man trigger to oust power. things are very much in uncharted territory as you mentioned before, bill. send it back to you. >> bill: we'll read the tea leaves as we go. back to lower manhattan. the judge has allowed cameras to go back in the courtroom for the third day in a row in the former president's case. we have the shot coming up right now. he wore a red tie or blue tie? today back to a red tie. >> easy to get dressed in the morning with the former president. >> bill: it looks like -- the

it controls a majority, steve scalise once led it,en kevin hearne has led it. the two remaining in the contest. i do think they could get to 217. the problem is it's one of just bad blood. so tom emmer beats johnson by 20 votes three hours ago. the people who didn't vote for emmer say, i don't care what that vote looked like. i want the guy who lost to become speaker. do your old institutionists finally say, enough is enough. we've got to govern. let's get behind a johnson and wool take the l on our side of the conference. i don't know. i do think this is it. this is the landing zone for house republicans. if it's not here, you're probably in a world of talking about patrick mcnew hampshire ri possibly some type of vote deal with democrats. >> which is dramatic and extraordinary in its own right. ali, we lost you. you froze. i want to turn to one more point here. so liz chi nae is expelled. and it seems like that's the pivot. like that's the lens we should look at this through. liz cheney can't exist in leadership or in the body because she draws a line at janu

byron donalds, tom emmer, kevin hearn and mike johnson. in other words, three candidates show.ut. we've got four left. >> what do you make of this mess in. >> there's still 15 minutes left mt. show, is so let's see who's left standing. [laughter] you know, stuart, i think it's kind of an embarrassment. from an outsider watching this play out, it seems like this is a minority within congress who have realized that if i hold out, i can pretty much, like a child holding their breath, i can get what i want. so if i hold out, you saw it with mccarthy, he had to go through whether it was # 11 or 12 votes, and now people can be bullied out of the race or being told we're not going to vote for you, so you better drop out. i don't think it's the way democracy was meant to run. but i think as a republican party, we need to get together and say who are we going to vote for, who are we all going to -- so the pledge, people pledging to vote for whoever is the nominee, i don't like that typically, but i think in this instance we need to elect somebody. somebody has to be there. so however th

political reports congressman kevin hearn, pete sessions, jack bergman, austin scott and mike johnsononalds are also in the running, but it's not clear if they will also sign the pledge. congressman donalds will join us live later on this morning, and we'll ask him that very question. joey: yeah. rachel: okay. pete: one professor under tire for threatening jewish journalists on social media. rachel: plus, at another cool fallout over an anti-israel writers' festival. the chaos on campus, next. pete: tensions rising on college campuses across the country as anti-israel protests rage. now one university of california-davis professor is under fire for threatening journalists on social media. look at this. writing, quote: one group of people we have easy access to in the u.s. is all these zionist journalists who spread propaganda and misinformation. they have houses with addresses, kids in school. they can fear their bosses, but they should fear us more. here with reaction, campus reform's editor-in-chief zachary marshall. zachary, thanks for being here. so you don't say something, you do

kevin hearn, jody arrington, donald, the guy who got his head rubbed by the guy who believes in lynchinge to certify the election. are any of thee people viable? >> no, and they could put it on monster.com or like, whatever job search engine they want. it's become that ludicrous. and the only path forward is to come to democrats. and joy, if you have crossed the ruicon where you're not going to let death threats get in the way of you doing what you think is the right thing, you have already shown the courage to do the right thing. and now, the only path forward, the only way to get the majority of votes is to work with us, as i said, to keep government open, to fund ukraine. there's not much more we really have to do other than those efforts. and so we're just ready, standing ready to get things done. let me show you how unserious they are. one of their members, a republican who had voted for jordan, traveled to israel today and missed the vote because he said he was going on a fact finding mission in israel. no, go on a speaker finding mission here so we can get things done. we stand re

with the exclusive joint interview with everybody that wants to be speaker including jim jordan, kevin hearnelahoma steve scalise or at least those threes hand that could be more. i originally heard will be stephani but i have not seen her name on the list sense and i don't see any women. >> ainsley: i don't think kevin o'hearn officially said he was running. but with the endorsement from former president trump, we will see if that changes. >> brian: i know something that will steal your thunder. >> ainsley: that is right. i have exciting news, facial cooking with friends cookbook his coming out next week october 10th. on tuesday. "cooking with friends" of course, one of these classic "fox & friends" segments that you have been doing for years with an anchor that comes on the show and everybody cooks with them and they share a favorite family meals. this is all of these recipes throughout the year. steve, you have your recipe in it and your artichoke pie as well. so we are going to eat next week and lawrence you are all over the book almost in every picture. >> lawrence: there is a lot of pic

republican kevin hearn says he's also considering a bid probably most conservative members in congress. hearn schoolies in jordan met with the texas republican delegation on wednesday. >> hoping to lock in support from the state's 25 republicans. but house democrats are standing by their decision to vote against former speaker mccarthy. it's laughable that they're trying to blame the democrats. this is a party that for 9 months has not engaged one time with house democrats has not worked across the aisle. >> the house isn't expected to vote on a speaker until next week. until then the work to fund the government is put on polls. there are a lot of work to do in the american people. expect us to get it done. some house republicans want to nominate trump to be the next speaker. but of course, he has his eyes on a higher political office. reyna. >> all right, richard, thank you for that breakdown there. well, still to come on the kron, morning news. >> celebrating 115 years in business. john's grill in san francisco welcome the public on its 115 university will be right back. how white do

thompson of louisiana, i could see myself jody arrington of texas fred i could see myself supporting kevin hearn of oklahoma. there are even people outside o the night states congress brit. >> before we hand this to "the five", speaker kevin with her carthy is out. more than 70 to hours ago he seemed like the king of the world. he kept the government from going into shutdown at or aroun things giving, that was then, h is a former speaker now. they say that in washington, th fall from grace can be mighty and quick, even when you have the overwhelming support of you own party, until of you in that party revolt. today they revolted. matt gates left them and now kevin mccarthy will fight to get his old job back. ♪

>> reporter: all eyes are on kevin hearn right now. he hasn't made an official announcement.r of the republican study committee, and this is the largest group of house republicans. so he does carry some influence and weight. but apparently he's still making calls, personal calls, to even of these house members -- each of these house members to sort of gauge interest before he makes perhaps a similar splashy, big announcement like scalise and jordan. in the meantime, we aren't expecting an actual vote at the earliest until next wednesday. they're the all going to come back tuesday. they were sent home to sort of cool off, and congressman garrett graves told me yesterday he actually doesn't thinkable this is going to happen quickly, he thinks it could take several weeks. listen to in this. >> i believe that if we had gotten back together as a conference, you literally would have had physical ifaller the occasions in the room. there's raw feeling, animosity, i don't think there's consensus behind any one candidate. i think before we jump into that what's more appropriate is that

what about mike johnson, kevin hearn? >> i don't think either of them could, would come very short.dan can get the votes. maria: let me get your take on what happens next in terms of israel, because right as soon as this conflict started when hamas first attacked israel last saturday, you came out with a five-point plan. the first issue being make sure to get these hostages freed. how are you proposing this administration do that? >> well, first of all, i would reverse course on what this administration did when they took over. they started paying for american hostages, so more americans are being taken. that's where the $6 billion came into play with iran. secondly, i would put our very best units there assisting israel to make sure those hostages get back. i would tell the rest of the world if one american is harmed as a hostage, we will take due course to make sure that punishment comes directly to whoever we see involved in it. you've got to be strong in this situation, stop being weak in what we've watched this biden administration do. it's brought us americans being held hosta

at least seven republicans are vying for the position, including kevin hearn, mike johnson, and houseity whip tom emmer. emmer is seen as the front-runner, but he's disliked by donald trump's conservative allies. he is one of 64 house republicans who voted to uphold biden's electoral votes in 2021 despite having former kevin mccarthy's support, it's not sure if he can secure the 217 votes he needs, this as president biden has officially requested a $100 billion foreign aid package, which includes funding for israel, and as congress stares down another spending deadline in november. without a funding bill next month, the government could shut down. house republicans will be back here tomorrow night, back to the drawing board, again, scrambling to choose a new speaker. gio? >> gio: we'll see what happens because it has everything at a standstill. shank yo thank you so much, em. let's turn it over the meteorologist somara theodore here. you're following hurricane norma. we see that, cabo san lucas behind you. >> somara: a big vacation spot, right. this made landfall as a category 1 hurri

and then, of course, kevin hearn is also a name we have been hearing a lot from our sources and important to point out the other name on the screen there is the current speaker, patrick mchenry, who, of course, was put there by a list that mccarthy had to submit to the parliamentarian. he's a close ally of the former speaker's, that list is meant to show who mccarthy trusted and, of course, mchenry is top of that list, having been with him for multiple rounds of critical negotiations throughout mccarthy's short speakership. that list is coming together, calls are starting to be made. in theory we'll see the field take shape next week. i don't expect this to be a seamless process. >> and so, chuck, is there a path going forward for republicans in the house? >> well, i don't know what the path -- what that even means, which is when you say republicans, are they going to act as one here at all? look, i have one -- a couple theories on this of what -- how to watch the next week. you know, i think the weekend -- we'll find out over the weekend how exhausted republicans are from this infighting