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former top cop kevin hurley takes on barrister jerry cop kevin hurley takes on barristerjerry hayes cop kevin hurley takes on barrister jerry hayes and cop kevin hurley takes on barristerjerry hayes and ukip deputy leader rebecca jane in the clash . letby delivered a the clash. letby delivered a final insult to the victims families by refusing to face them in court. but should criminals be dragged to their sentencing by law, tory mp, former cabinet minister dr. liam fox offers his unmissable insight. also coming up tonight, the lionesses inspired the nafion the lionesses inspired the nation with their ground breaking world cup run. but sly news has turned their achievement into an identity politics parade . politics parade. >> what jumps out of you is that this doesn't sort of represent diverse britain . it's all these diverse britain. it's all these blonde, blue eyed girls . blonde, blue eyed girls. >> how disgusting blonde and blue eyed. i'll ask the great british public to reject this toxic hard left racial politics being imported from the us. and my digest next. then my superstar pan

former top cop kevin hurley takes on barrister jerry cop kevin hurley takes on barristerjerry hayes copes and cop kevin hurley takes on barristerjerry hayes and ukip deputy leader rebecca jane in the clash . letby delivered a the clash. letby delivered a final insult to the victims families by refusing to face them in court. but should criminals be dragged to their sentencing by law, tory mp, former cabinet minister dr. liam fox offers his unmissable insight. also coming up tonight, the lionesses inspired the nafion the lionesses inspired the nation with their ground breaking world cup run. but sly news has turned their achievement into an identity politics parade . politics parade. >> what jumps out of you is that

former top cop kevin hurley takes on barrister jerry cop kevin hurley takes on barristerjerry hayes coperry hayes and cop kevin hurley takes on barristerjerry hayes and ukip deputy leader rebecca jane in the clash . letby delivered a the clash. letby delivered a final insult to the victims families by refusing to face them in court. but should criminals be dragged to their sentencing by law, tory mp, former cabinet minister dr. liam fox offers his unmissable insight. also coming up tonight, the lionesses inspired the nafion the lionesses inspired the nation with their ground breaking world cup run. but sly news has turned their achievement into an identity politics parade . politics parade. >>

that was kevin hurley there, former police commissioner former chief police commissioner former chiefham, for surrey, and peter kirkham, former met senior investigating officer. is officer. michelle dewberry is here for dewbs& co. here with me now for dewbs& co. coming next, you right? >> f or shouting? right? >> or shouting? yeah go >> shouting or shouting? yeah go on. talk to me quietly, though, just case my microphone was hacked. >> your views on. hacked. >> what/iews on. hacked. >> what/iews think? don't >> what do you think? don't interrupt that chat. but when he was when said was saying when you said about a clear cut case in terms of the death penalty, then he said there's no such thing as a clear cut case. i was shouting, yeah, what about like lee rigby then? >> yeah , well, yeah. >> yeah, well, yeah. >> yeah, well, yeah. >> i mean. >> i mean. >> i mean , there's a video of >> i mean, there's a video of it, you know? >> what mean when >> yeah, that's what i mean when you, when you've got a guy absolutely covered in blood with you, when you've got a guy thuge ely covered in blo

thank you. >> thanks, kevin hurley. yeah, astonishing.s i think will chime with a lot of people listening and watching. now if she faces some sort of justice in people won't in prison, well, people won't care. well they know maybe that's a form of justice she wasn't seen to be to have been served in court. >> but you know, we will be spending money guarding her against that sort of recrimination for life. >> and if you're a high risk individual like like she she clearly will be the risk to her. i mean, it's incredibly expensive to prison and house and feed them. >> there's no answer to that. >> there's no answer to that. >> it could be millions of pounds over the course of her life. >> but it's just awful. and it's so terrible for the for the families involved. yeah but at least they'll get some comfort out of the fact that justice was done. out of the fact that justice was done . but it doesn't bring your done. but it doesn't bring your babies back , does it? the awful babies back, does it? the awful suffering of the families left behind