smalley, if you are listening, kevin jennings, the deputy secretary of education, says thank you for your story, because stories like ty smalley's, stories like that, are going to get something done quicker, because, tony, as we all know, the government moves very slowly. and we need those federal guidelines in place. >> boy, that story breaks your heart. hey, carol, what did the school do here? >> the school says that mr. smalley and his wife never complained about ty being bullied in school. they have no written record. mr. smalley disputes that. he said, yes, they did call. but you know what, when you call a school, who knows who you talk to? who knows if anything is written down. there was no documenttation. and that's something else that mr. smalley thinks needs to change. he thinks schools ought to be required to document cases of bullying. and when a parent calls in and says, hey, my kid is having a problem, write it down somewhere, so at least the school has a record and they can better deal with it in the years to come. >> you know what, i think we'll run that piece certainl

assistant deputy education secretary kevin jennings was appointed by president obama to keep kids safe at school. ty's story could easily have been his own. >> were you bullied in school? >> like many kids i was bullied severely in junior high and high school. the first day of tenth grade i refused to go back to school. i wasn't going to back to a place where i got bullied every day. >> he organized the nation's first ever bullying summit. even he admits it's a baby step. experts can't agree on how to define bullying. is it physical? electronic? psychological? nonverbal? or all of the above? >> when might something happen? when might the federal government act and say these are the guidelines we want to put in place, do it? >> i think it's taken us a long time to develop a bullying problem. it's going to take us a long time to solve it. >> it's why there are no guidelines schools must follow to deal with bullying. they're on their own. in smalley's own state of oklahoma, each school district deals with bullying in different ways. it's something else that infuriates smalley. >> a lot of

phil mcgraw and rosalind wiseman, let's also bring in kevin jennings, who serves as assistant deputyusan limber of clemson university. they're advisers to the cartoon network's stop bullying, speak up initiative. and steve snyder, president of the cartoon network is here as well. so dr. limber, what is this bystander effect? >> it's interesting. my colleagues and i conducted a survey with more than 500,000 third through twelfth graders. what we found was fascinating. the vast majority of students tell us they feel badly for bullied students. they don't like it. unfortunately that sympathy doesn't translate into action. we found that fewer than 50% said they would try to help a bullied student even though many felt really badly about it. >> there's also the pressure besides not just saying anything, the pressure to kind of join in on the bullying. i want to show you what some of the students we talked to had to say. >> do i bully this person even though i know it's wrong so that i am accepted? or do i not, and go with what i believe in and risk the possibility that i become the victim

phil mcgraw and rosalind wiseman, kevin jennings, assistant deputy secretary of education, and dr.peak up initiative, and president of the cartoon network is here as well. what is this bystander effect? >> it's interesting. my colleagues and i conducted a survey with more than 500,000 third through twelveth graders. the vast majority of students say they feel badly for bullied students. they don't like it. unfortunately that sympathy doesn't translate into action. we found fewer than 50% said they would try to help a bullied student, even though many felt really badly about it. >> there's also the pressure besides not just saying anything, the pressure to kind of join in on the bullying. i want to show you what some of the students we talked to had to say. >> do i bully in person even though i know it's wrong so that i am accepted? or do i not, and go with what i believe in and risk the possibility that i become the victim over the next couple years? >> do you think that's part of the reason some people bully, is they're afraid if they don't they'll get targeted? >> yeah. >> the pe

phil mcgraw and rosalind wiseman, let's also bring in kevin jennings, who serves as assistant deputy department's office of safe and drug-free schools and dr. susan limber of clemson university. they're advisers to the cartoon network's stop bullying, speak up initiative and stuart snider, president of the cartoon network is here as well. so dr. limber, what is this bystander effect? >> it's interesting. my colleagues and i conducted a survey with more than 500,000 third through twelfth graders. what we found was fascinating. the vast majority of students tell us they feel badly for bullied students. they don't like it. unfortunately, that sympathy doesn't translate into action. we found that fewer than 50% said they would try to help a bullied student even though many felt really badly about it. >> there's also the pressure, dr. phil, of not saying anything, the pressure to kind of join in on the bullying. i want to show you what some of the students we talked to had to say. >> do i bully this person even though i know it's wrong so that i am accepted? or do i not, and go with what

assistant deputy education secretary kevin jennings was appointed by president obama to keep kids safeely in junior high and high school. and the first day of tenth grade, i refused to go back to school because i simply wasn't going to go back to a place where i got bullied every day. >> reporter: jennings organized the nation's first ever bullying summit. but he admits it's a baby step. experts can't agree on how to define bullying. is it physical, electronic, psychological, nonverbal, or all of the above? >> when might something happen? when might the federal government act and say these are the guidelines we want to put in place, do it? >> i think that it's taken us a long time to develop a bullying problem and it's going to take us some time to solve it. >> reporter: it's why there are no federal guidelines schools must follow to deal with bullying. they're on their own. in smalley's home state of oklahoma, each school deals with bullying in different ways. it's something else that infuriates smalley. >> a lot of schools' answer to bullying, they let the victim leave a little bit e

assistant deputy education secretary kevin jennings was appointed by president obama to keep kids safehool. ty's story could easily have been his own. >> were you bullied in school? >> like many kids, i was bullied very severely in junior high and high school, and in the first day of tenth grade, i refused to go back to school because i wasn't going to go somewhere where i was bullied every day. >> reporter: he came up with the bully protection program, but they con even agree what caused bullying. >> when might something happen? when might the federal government act and say, these are the guidelines we want to put in place. do it. >> i think it's taken a long time to develop a bullying problem and it's going to take a long time to solve t. >> there are no federal guidelines schools must follow to deal with bullying. they're on their own. in smalley's state of oklahoma, each school district deals with bullying in different ways. it's something else that infuriates smalley. >> a lot of schools, their answer to bullying is they let the victim leave early, get a head start on the bully. y