. >> if he looks like kevin keegan or in the lower league, he is. >> still with me, is >> he is still the stephen the former labour mp stephen pound. the former labour mp stephen pound . jerry, i'd better let you pound. jerry, i'd better let you have first word. what i have the first word. what i loved about that clip is that we still say exactly the same thing. course we're spending thing. of course we're spending on is up x on the health service is up by x percent over one. >> nurses never before nothing changes. nothing changes. >> but to go back to that bill, the 1986 bill, it was only sunday trading in england. and you actually got called in to see margaret thatcher. >> i did . and i was being hauled >> i did. and i was being hauled over the coals for something or other. i can't remember some misdemeanour. i think what used the government's majority to fall, which was not very pleased with. and then she said, oh, jerry, douglas? douglas jerry, how is douglas? douglas hurd was the foreign secretary. how is he doing in the second reading? oh i said, it's going really margaret, beca