kevin kosart is with us this morning. >> we are a almost 6-year-old think tank here in washington, d.c. we work in a variety of areas, criminal justice reform, postal reform, technology policy. we're into a whole bunch of areas. we've got about 55 employees and we're having a good time. >> talk about your background and how long have you studied postal issues? >> i first picked up postal issues in 2003 when i started working at congressal research service. it's a funny situation. would you like to work on postal policy? i thought, well, i guess so, boss. two years later he retired and i became the head of the postal policy -- >> kevin kosar has joined us a few times to talk about post office reform efforts moving through congress. we'll talk about during this segment. we have a special line for postal workers. 202-748-8003 is that number. i want to come back to the package delivery that the postal service does. 5.7 billion pieces in 2017. that's up from 3.7 billion pieces just five years earlier. is this a place where the post office is making money? >> well, it's hard to tell. and you