amy: so talk about where you see this all headed, kevin lin. hing surprised you in your years of work on issues in china and hong kong? kevin: i think there are -- what is not t surprising i i sh start with is the repression and that started -- it escalated since the ascendents of xi jinping, the administration, and have seen a huge increase in state oppression against social movements and that includes labor, feminist, people who work on anti-discrimination, human rights lawyers, religious freedom. it's all across the board, oppression against social movement activists in mainland china. and so what we see in hong kong is that oppression designed -- kind of coming over ththe borde to hong kong so in essence we're now suppressed. but we are suppressed by the response of the hong kong public because for many years, a lot of people in hong kong believe e the new generation, t younger generation in hong kong are apolitical and don't care about politics but what we've seen the last few months is a very involved, very engaged public that trieses to p