but i'm joined now by kevin maguire, kevin maguire , big supporter of the maguire, big supporter of thee right are labour really right to be shouting victory is ours after there were no disturbances? i'd say it's a pyrrhic victory. >> i'm not sure they are shouting victory hurrahs. they're saying, look, it's effective policing now and also community cohesion. people condemning the violence, the, the far right thugs. and then we saw last night a lot of people going out on the streets. it would be too early to claim a victory. but often you get these spasms. it takes policing a while to catch up. labour would be getting the blame if they hadnt be getting the blame if they hadn't ended these riots, but i'm not sure there's anything in truth that keir starmer yvette cooper the home secretary, have done that the conservatives wouldn't have done so. but, you know, but there is a poison in the far right of britain. the security services have been arguing and warning for years now that you face two threats in the uk from terrorism. one is islamists islamofascists and the other is the home—grown

>> he's covid—19 kevin maguire. n it. i saw him when he did it with kevin maguire earlier , a it with kevin maguire earlier, a couple of months ago. and it's just, you know, he talks about his book and you know, they talk about a lot of the political issues. and it's a most entertaining actually is it. >> do they get quite fiery though. >> they do get they, they do very good. >> oh do anything. also a bit of money. won't he got time for one more quickly. >> yeah. oh yeah. you got loads of time. >> loads of time. >> loads of time. >> is it. should couples be given a five day tax break by the government to have kids? no, the government to have kids? no, the birth rate is so low. >> going to agree with that. >> going to agree with that. >> i want a third, but my wife won't. ben wants more. >> what do you think, ellie, >> what do you think, ellie, >> i don't know. now. you put me on the spot there. >> five k's have a nipper. >> five k's have a nipper. >> yeah, i think so. >> yeah, i think so. >> i think you'll find that