. >> kevin marcus bor dw died this week. 71 years old i think.ntroversial in his career with the jesus seminar. you reported on him a lot. >> yes, the thing about marcus bor gg is he was one of a number of respected scholars who questioned everything we've taken for granted about jesus and christianity over the years. said of being bogged down in -- instead of being bogged down in the doctrine of it they looked at jesus as being human. that upset a lot of people but what he was trying to do was say let's cut away the debates around the historics. you know, who said what, where, how it happened and let's talk about the essential message of christianity. yes, he was one scholar, but he spoke for a lot of christians who have questions about that. >> editor-in-chief of "religious news service," and kim lawton managing editor of this program. thanks to you both. ♪ >>> in other news, during a trip to idaho this week, president obama had a private meeting with the family of the iranian american pastor who's been imprisoned in iran since 2012. the presid