i will say, he's got kevin mayer back, which is a really good thing. it's great that he and milted bob chapek was a mistake bringing kevin back further admits that mistake. this is a company that has to transact, and it's a company that has to figure out its major issues probably no better around to handle both of those so, if there's an answer for abc, i assume kevin will find it >> tom, great to speak with you. always great to get your thoughts, since you are, as guy called you, a stud >> there you go. >> you said it much better coming from you. >> for you tom, thanks. tom rogers >> thanks. >> karen, we were talking about that abc, like, what do you do it's so entrenched in the business >> it's so entrenched, and, you know, the headwinds that the business faces, who would want to buy it? >> right >> i don't know. that's interesting, does this make kevin mayer the, you know, the anointed one when ultimately bob iger does step down? i don't know >> seems like they have no other candidates >> but -- i don't know, i just -- it's -- when we were talking ab