according to jamie herera butler trump told mccarthy this, quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. mccarthy has been dodging questions about that call since january 6th. >> would you personally reach out to the president for more support? >> i've already talked to the president. >> what did the president say to you when you called him? >> he put out a tweet as well. >> you said you spoke with the president. what did the president say he would do? >> he put a tweet out there. i was the first person to contact him when the riots were going on. he didn't see it. he ended the call saying he'll put something out to make sure to stop this, and that's what he did. he put a video out later. >> quite a lot later and it was a pretty weak video. i'm asking you specifically did he say to you i guess some people are more concerned about the election than you are? >> no, listen, my conversations with the president are my conversations with the president. >> not really. he put out a video where he told the insurrectionists he loved them. republican a

get more information from that meeting. >>> turning now to capitol hill, house minority leader kevin mccarthynd social media companies that provide any information to the committee that's investigating the january 6th capitol riot. mccarthy tweeted, quote, if these companies comply with the democrat order to turn over private information, they are in violation of federal law and subject to losing their ability to operate in the united states. if companies still choose to violate federal law, a republican majority will not forget and will stand with americans to hold them fully accountable under the law. cnn's ryan nobles is on capitol hill. ryan, what is the committee's response to this? >> reporter: well, the committee is not backing down. mccarthy's threat comes in the wake of cnn's exclusive reporting on the fact that the committee is asking for the phone records of a number of members of republican members of congress to be preserved in the event that their investigation gets to that point that they want to see exactly who these members were talking to in the lead-up to the january 6 insu

a lot of people want to know what kevin mccarthy did on january 6th and the communications he had withtrump. he's not one of the congressmen currently listed -- currently listed. mccarthy wants to keep his own name off that list and make sure the democrats running this committee know that he is -- or think at least that he is going to rain down hell on their heads if they drag him into this. and i think, again, that gets back to the top of what neal said, what is kevin mccarthy so scared of. if he did nothing wrong, he shouldn't be afraid to be called and shouldn't be afraid to have people look at his phone records. >> one reason why kevin mccarthy might not be on the list so far is his conversations with the president are a matter of public already to some degree and he has described those conversations to other people who could be called as witnesses to say what he said about those conversations. >> exactly. and that puts him in a different position than, for example, jim jordan, as you were saying early, disassembled about his january 6th conversations and reported today suggests th

this is one of the rare instances where kevin mccarthy is not totally aligned with donald trump. the house majority is potentially on the line. a number of these impeachment republicans who trump has either already endorsed against or could endorse against represent critical swing districts. and so there's concern in the gop that a candidate backed by trump could win the primary who can't win the general. so behind the scenes kevin mccarthy and his team have raised $100,000 and working to prevent that. mccarthy privately asked trump to back off at least two of them david valadao are close to mccarthy and the nrcc doesn't get involved in primaries i learned that nrcc chairman did attend a fundraiser last week for jaime herrera beutler as a special guest. look, all of this is putting them in a real bind because the right is very upset they're not getting behind trump's revenge campaign. i interviewed one of the candidates, joe kent, running against jaime herrera beutler and endorsed by donald trump. here is what he had to say about mccarthy. quote, mccarthy is talking out of one si

has learned the committee is seeking to preserve the phone records of house republican leader kevin mccarthylier cnn reported the committee had asked telecommunications companies to keep the records of an evolving list of several other lawmakers from that day. for his part mccarthy warned those companies if they did eventually turn over those records they would be breaking the law and that "a republican majority will not forget." cnn's jessica dean tonight is on capitol hill. so what's the latest now on this? >> reporter: so the latest that we know now, anderson, is that this select committee included kevin mccarthy in this list of gop lawmakers' phone records that they want preserved by these telecommunications companies. we do know that when we originally reported the existence of this list it was a draft. kevin mccarthy's name wasn't on it at the time. that was earlier this week. what we know now is that when that list got sent to these telecommunications companies that kevin mccarthy's name was on it. and remember, on january 6th when everything was happening here during the insurrection

has learned the committee is seeking to preserve the phone records of house republican leader kevin mccarthyttee had asked telecommunication companies to keep the records of a revolving list of other lawmakers from that day. mccarthy warned those companies if they did eventually turn over those records, they would be breaking the law and that, quote, a republican majority will not forget. cnn's jessica dean tonight is on capitol hill. so what is the latest oh now on this in. >> so the latest that we know now, anderson, is this select committee included kevin mccarthy in this list of gop lawmakers' phone records that they want preserved by these telecommunications companies. we do know that when we originally reported the existence of this list, it was a draft. kevin mccarthy's name wasn't on it, at the time. that was earlier-this week. what we know now is that when that list got sent to these telecommunications companies, that kevin mccarthy's name was on it. and remember, on january 6th when everything was happening here during the insurrection at the capitol, we know that house minority le

kevin mccarthy really is. for a variety of reasons, not the least of which his boss, his master in mar-a-lago does not want to happen. >> i will read you now the statement he issued and. full because it mentions. you and i want to get your response to, he said avid chef, many times in nancy pelosi's attempts to strong-arm private companies to turn over individuals private data would put every american with a phone or computer in across areas of the surveillance they run by democrat politicians. if these companies comply with the democrat order to turn over that information, they are in violation of federal, was subject to losing their ability to operate in the u.s.. if companies still choose to violate federal law, a republican majority will not forget, it will stand with americans to hold them fully accountable under the law. >> this is not a threat of violence, but it is certainly a threat that he's making, in response to this. it's a threat, and it's a threatening falsehood. that somehow asking these compan

this is exactly why kevin mccarthy needs to testify.beutler needs to testify because we have contradicting claims what was said. this is what proceedings are for. this is not a trial. this is how we get to the truth. one thing that's important to notice, either way, either one of mccarthy's versions here is bad for him because the question is why did you call donald trump when these folks were swarming the capitol? either way, he acknowledges he talked to trump about controlling these people. what made you believe or understand these people were acting for donald trump and subject to his command? so you see why he's angling to get out of this. >> all right. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thanks. >>> next, the breaking news that the storm a tornado touching down in maryland and tornado warnings posted for new york city and philadelphia as the storm system that was hurricane ida heads east. >>> along the gulf, the suffering deepening. >>> plus, controversial podcast host joe rogan announces he has covid but took a drug pushed by a

what could kevin mccarthy's threats do at that point?companies are reviewing this closely. it's talking about third party communications related to that letter, i call them the crazy caucus. this is our confidential data. again, the reasonableness of the request by the congress is certainly satisfying. the question is, has kevin mccarthy engaged in any type of intimidation. yes. political behavior largely lies just outside the reach of the courts. there's probably very little enforcement other than the voters acting to show somebody out or saying we don't want republicans in charge so they can't act on that type of political thuggery. >> i love our chats. thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world lawyers here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. at this hour, millions of americans are set to lose a good chunk of their unemployment benefits. three federal programs that boosted the payments during the pandemic will expire. the change will affect about 12 million people unless congress or the

is speaker, if kevin mccarthy is speaker, i'll be shocked. republicans may take the majority but kevin mccarthy doesn't have the support of his caucus. it could be someone much, much worse. jim jordan would be a good scenario in this. the responsible kind of person. there are crazy people waiting to take over that party. >> professor, i got to wrap but ask you really quickly, i tried to end this on an optimistic note. anything can be done here to prevent from coup from happening in the future is this what's your takeaway on how we prevent this from happening? >> congress needs to act right now, pass the freedom to vote act, revisions like requiring paper ballots and chain of custody requirements and doing things like increasing the penalties for people who try to steal elections. there's stuff to do right now. we can't wait until 2020. >> that is a tall ask from this congress given the way everything is playing out. we'll dig into that in this program. thank you to the both of you for starting us off this evening. >>> coming up on monday, pro

>> reporter: including kevin mccarthy. his conversation with trump that day is key to the committee. even though when cnn reported was not in the documents. two things. kevin mccarthy is clearly trying to show this is going to be a bat many for access. the investigative committee is trying to punt these things down, and it is not going to be easy necessarily for them to obtain documents. donald trump has also made clear he's going to try to exert executive privilege and fight the investigative committee's work at every single turn. and this is a familiar battle for congressional democrats who ran into similar walls when they were investigating and impeaching donald trump in the previous congress. and i think more broadly what is going on here with kevin mccarthy is he's trying to preempt and get ahead of whatever might come out of the investigation. republicans are trying to muddy the waters. as anna mentioned, they are not on the committee any more, so they are trying to use messaging at every turn that they can to try to

about why any chief of staff would have to be six subjected to this quote unquote harassment. >> kevin mccarthy and his answer to the news program was interesting. i thought the response from thompson and johnny was also interesting. a piece about something that had vanished down the memory hole, which is that mccarthy himself had called for some kind of inquiry into january 6th. you followed up on that and found that, basically, there is no appetite for that anymore. >> chris, wouldn't shock your audience, that this wasn't the most good faith declaration? this was a situation, we are back in july, kevin mccarthy said in response to the moves that pelosi and others were making, that republicans would mount a counter investigation, to trot out another narrative that happened during the lead up and during the pro-drum riot on capitol hill. obviously, months have passed, we followed up with various sources on and around capitol hill and elsewhere in the senior ranks of the republican party, to ask about movement on this. we could not find barely a shred of evidence, that there actually is any move

for years, kevin mccarthy has been a groveler and sniffler. now mccarthy is emerging as a demagogue. he is not lick a credible gangster. no one is -- people are scared of speaker pelosi. when she speaks, you better listen to her. nobody is afraid of this guy. is there any possibility that that caucus, if they manage to turn this nightmare into getting back the majority, are they actually going to make this full speaker? is that something that could happen? >> that's the reason kevin is doing this performance stuff. this is like a speeding ticket. it's nothing big. he is doing that because he knows that there are now -- there's a large majority of the house who are out of their damn minds. they are out of their damn minds. >> the church ladies will come for you. they listen to the show. they got hats on and they are waiting for you. >> young man. they know very well in kevin mccarthy's circle of allies that there's a greater chance that matt gaetz or marjorie taylor greene could be elected speaker or donald trump than kevin mccarthy. he is going

this is from the book where you have kevin mccarthy calling donald trump saying you've got to get out tell these people to stop. i am out of the capitol. we've been run over, mccarthy said. he was intense, someone just got shot. i'll put a tweet out, trump said. i've never seen anything like this, mccarthy said. you've got to tell them to stop. you've got to get them out of here, get them out of here now. he never asked about mccarthy's safety and one remark stood out, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. robert costa, that's a conversation that the investigative committee about january 6th wants to get even more detail on. there's so much in this book that is of interest to that committee. kevin mccarthy has kind of changed his tune about all this since then. what does your reporting indicate we would learn if kevin mccarthy was put under oath in that hearing room in that investigation? >> what bob woodward and i found is that kevin mccarthy, the house minority leader and leader mcconnell in the senate, they're kind of the surface of the r

minority house leader kevin mccarthy's phone records are being looked at. th the probe, in fact, saying, that if these companies comply with democrats, they're violating federal law and could lose their ability to cooperate or opt in -- operate in the u.s. he said he will not forget and hold them accountable under the law. mccarthy, however, did not state what law they would be breaking. joining us now congressman brendan boyle who represents the greater philadelphia area. thanks for being here so early this morning. they're calling for an investigation into the threats from the republican leader. what would be the point of that? >> well, first, kevin mccarthy is certainly acting like a guilty man with something to hide. the other part of his insanely strong reaction, threatening these private companies for complying with a s&p is that some six, seven years ago kevin mccarthy could have been speak over the house, but the freedom caucus at that time blocked him, blocked his ascension. and ever since then, kevin mccarthy has done whatever he could to appeal to

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kevin mccarthy was asked about the propect of a subpoena earlier.e a listen what the house minority lead her to say. >> if you're among the group subpoenaed for your information or for an interview, how will you respond to that subpoena and are you advising your fellow members of congress that could face subpoenas how they should respond? >> you know i haven't received any subpoena, but just goes to show they're more -- this is more about politics than anything else. >> reporter: i should say i spoke to a committee source moments ago and asked about this possibility. they said simply not at the moment talking about subpoenas. discussing subpoenas against members of congress. of course, there is no historical or legal precedent for congress to enforce a subpoena against one of its own members. it could become a messy process. you heard, mccarthy not saying whether he would comply with such a request. >> interesting. thank you both so much. >>> still to come, a member of senate democratic leadership patty murray joins us live as congress barrels close

host: kevin mccarthy yesterday at the capital. comments on text, this says that biden's handling of the withdrawal borders on criminal, just like his handling of our security at the border. he is a sick man and so are his advisors. this one from georgia, i totally agree with president biden on ending the 20-year war. i had a son go to that war and worried every day for a safe return. i was blessed, but other families were not. a tweet about the house armed services today beginning to step their annual defense authorization bill with lengthy markup and lots of amendments on afghanistan policy. let's go back to calls. let's go to linda in north carolina. caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. i am so disappointed in our president, my president. he said he would not leave any americans behind. then he takes 36 hours after this awful debacle to come out and talk to the american people and wouldn't answer a question. this is benghazi on steroids. remember, he was in the administration 10 years ago when they could have stopped it. t

companies preserve the phone records of a group of republican lawmakers house minority leader kevin mccarthycompanies not to comply saying a future republican majority would punish them. this week during an appearance on a local news program in his home district mccarthy tried to scrub the record clean for donald trump. >> the other question that the democrats want to know is how deeply was the president involved? >> well, you know what's interesting about that, that's where law en, toment comes. the fbi has investigated this. the senate had bipartisan committees that come back. and you know what they have found? that there is no involvement. but this is purely political and how nancy pelosi has handled this. >> huh. that's interesting. it seems like mccarthy is basing that claim, oh, this is interesting, guess what, nothing to see here, off this reuters report that cites four anonymous current and former law enforcement officials. but the january 6th committee's chairman democrat bennie thompson, vice chair republican liz cheney shot that down saying, "when this anonymous report was first p

kevin mccarthy asked did you see the testimony? no, we didn't watch the testimony.- these officers were doing all the things that you described, joe, you know they were protecting the constitution, the peaceful transfer of power. these guys went through and suffered all of the things they offered to protect the lives of those republican and democratic members, but they put their lives on the line for kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell. and he went on television and they are just spitting on the men who laid their lives down to save the lives of kevin mccarthy. >> what are we saying to the world about who we are? and they behave that way? they can't even agree on the truth. >> up next our colleagues at sky news reported on the afghan people left behind as the u.s. withdrawals from the country. cr withdrawals from the country hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ this bathroom is too cute! this one is too cool! [ grunts ] this one is just right. [ grunts ] oh! find your just right at kohler.com. we've got you taken care of, sgt. houston. thank you. that was fast! one call to us

>> by having deeply unserious people like kevin mccarthy in leadership roles. in florida you're required to have a whole host of vaccines to go. you have a political party that is being reckless but there's a certain dishonesty to it because ron de santis would insist to you that he has been pro-vaccine and yet he stands next to someone who peddles misinformation, disinformation and then he had a choice. he could have stepped to the m microphone and said what you heard is wrong. i'm against the mandate but it's not true that the vaccine changes your rna. he chose not to say that. even 1600 americans dying every single day. i think historians will look back on this completely puzzled. historians of politics, of science and of public health. what was going on with republicans back in 2021? >> the people are mostly vaccinated. people who are protected from covid because they are vaccinated and pushing anti-vaxer as politics. we have in washington state filling the icu with people from idaho because their governor refuses to do any kind of mandates and is pushing h

that is exactly what kevin mccarthy is doing. you give us what you do and we'll get you.has spent months now, we're talking eight months doing everything he possibly can to kneecap this investigation and this is just his latest attempt. >> and jennifer, do you think that mccarthy will be being a s. successful at his efforts? >> no, i don't. i'm glad that you referenced advice chairman cheney and the select committee will go ahead with the bipartisan investigation. there is no basis for stopping the subpoenas and they will get to the bottom of this, they will not simply getting to what happened on the 6, but the entire effort to steal the election. all the way through the big lie, through attempts to strong arm lawmakers in michigan, the attempt to strong arm georgia secretary of state into throwing the state his way. the whole kit and caboodle of intimidation, misuse of the justice department that will all come out. and i and others have been critical of merrick critical, but he did one thing that we should not lose track of, he gave really carte blanche to this committee

congressional investigations, but they don't want to be caught in this kind of a partisan warfare and kevin mccarthyg away that choice from them. there has been pushback. mccarthy said they would be violating federal law if they were to comply, but nbc news asked mccarthy's office what federal law they would be violating and he has not said. one member of the congressional select committee adam kinzinger, a republican from illinois, reacted to this yesterday on one of the sunday shows. i want to play some of what he had to say. >> we'll decide what we need to see and what's in the american people's interest and i think to turn around then and make ominous talk to these telecom companies that when we take over, it's going to be different or payback, that's just not frankly the republican party i remember and the republican party i joined. >> reporter: kinzinger also said that if republicans continue to be the party of lies and conspiracy theories they should not hold the majority when the elections come up next fall. strong words from a man who had always been in good standing with the republican par

all kevin mccarthy wants is to be speaker of the house. win back the house. you can count the number of votes, the margin the democratic margin right now on one hand. it is that close. the expectation is mccarthy can win. he needs seats. it's never going to be a seat held in new york. somebody they really need to keep in the house if they wanted to change things up here. so mccarthy i think has shown that he's trying to play both sides. i think a lot of people that i've spoken to certainly who oppose the president, but still remain members of the republican party, the former president, i should say. they have been really disappointed in how mccarthy has handled things and i think perhaps this may be an effort to try and help some of those bruised feelings a little bit, too. >> all right. kasie hunt, great to have you on this morning. look forward to seeing you again very soon. >> great to be here. thanks, guys. >>> so, 20 years after 9/11 and the taliban promised it wouldn't support those who committed the attacks, we'll have a reality che

we know that kevin mccarthy is someone who spoke to former president trump on january 6th.o you think he has a personal motivation in making this threat? >> there's no question about it. we know his behavior is going to be called into question and the committee is going to probe his exchanges with the president. we know that members of his caucus like matt gaetz, mo brooks, marjorie taylor greene are in the crosshairs and possibly many others. it's not just january 6th. the committee correctly understands that president trump's pattern of incitement and that of his enablers went back for months and illegitimately attacking an unquestioned electoral result and whipping people into a frenzy. there could be some very embarrassing revelations. remember that many, many members of the republican caucus with no basis at all voted against certifying the election results. >> ambassador norm eisen, always a pleasure. thanks for getting up with us. >> thanks, guys. great to be with you. >>> triple digit heat in store for louisiana today. residents brace for what could be a month witho

so you can see why this is becoming such a huge headache and risk for kevin mccarthy. >> okay.rms are a year away, three years to 2024 t. we're talking about it. chris christie is weighing the future of the party with some veiled comments about trump? >> reporter: yeah, some very interesting comments from chris christie, the former republican of new jersey, one-time presidential candidate and former trump adviser. take a listen to what he had to say at the ronald regan library. >> no man, no woman, no matter what office they've held or wealth they've acquired, are worthy of blind faith or obedience. that's not who i am, and that's not who we are as republicans. no matter who is demanding that we tie our future to a pile of lies. see, we deserve much better than to be misled by those trying to acquire or hold on to power. >> reporter: so clearly taking a veiled shot at trump and his supporters who continue to push lies about the election. it's clear that chris christie sees himself as a bit of a truth teller. he's distanced himself from trump since january 6. notably he did not

kevin mccarthy is all about the acquisition of power. that's it. there is no ideology. there is no policy concerns. there's no effort to try to improve the lives of everyday americans to work with us as democrats to crush the virus or improve the economy. and in order for kevin mccarthy to achieve his ambition, he has decided that, i'm just going to bend the knee to donald trump. it doesn't matter that he sparked a violent insurrection and attack on the capitol that was an extraordinary event in american history and is dangerous. kevin mccarthy still hasn't denounced this hate-filled, violent rally that is being planned on saturday outside of the capitol to defend the insurrectionists. >> are you satisfied with what you know to be the preparations for the security of the capitol this weekend? >> yes. i know speaker pelosi has been in close communication with all of the security officials who are new. we have a new police chief of the capitol hill police squad, and we have a new sergeant at arms, and we have, perhaps most importantly, have a biden administration that is

you got to note here there is a backdrop that potentially kevin mccarthy's records, maybe mccarthy himself up subpoenaed by this very committee. >> hey, hallie. we have no indication yet leader mccarthy's records are part of this record preservation or the other record requests made by the government or made to the government in other companies but we do know leader mccarthy's roll on january 6th and leadup is of interest to the committee and investigators. we know that he talked with the former president on that day, it was reported there was a very tense phone call between the two of them but his statement last night saying there could be, that house republicans would not forget if they take back the majority next year, should these companies cooperate. well, that is quite a statement and quite a threat and what the committee is saying they are saying that they are not going to deterred by people who are trying to white wash the investigation or who they say are trying to obstruct the investigation. now, moving forward, we have spoken with some of the nbc news has spoken with some of the

kevin mccarthy voted to raise the debt ceiling, we don't expect them to do it this time around so he's just playing politics and we don't need his support here. hopefully some house republicans will do the right thing. but they voted to raise the debt ceiling three times during the previous administration. now all of a sudden they want to jam the american economy and our full faith and credit because they'replaying politics ? no house republicans are going to do it. hopefully senaterepublicans will not . >> speaker pelosi has said that whatever passes the agency will have to match. that means likely that you won't get down from 3 and a half trillion but how are the house prioritizing cuts? >> there are ongoing discussions and i don't want to comment on the different priorities that people make their because those are discussions -- that's okay. [inaudible] it's quite interesting. >> what are you prioritizing that might get cut from the reconciliation? >> i'm not going to yield on this as well but he's been on the appropriations committee. everything is important. in terms of making the

and that's what kevin mccarthy has already admitted.hat's what kevin mccarthy has already said, and his imitation of a mob boss is not going to make that go away. >> right. after all their pleading and what not, i'm sure you're right, claire. he sent out a message saying we love you. so that's how impactful they were. we'll stay on it. betsy woodruff swan, thank you for spending time with us. claire is sticking around. >> the calls for serious action on climate change are growing louder, from fires and droughts out west to flooding and tornadoes up and down the east coast. will washington get past the talk and slow climate change to protect the nation's cities and towns? that question next. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ managing type 2 diabetes? on it. -on it. on it, with jardiance. meet the people who are managing type 2 diabetes and heart risk with jardiance. jardiance is a once-daily pill that can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so it could help save your life from a heart attack or str

revelations about the ongoing tense between former president trump and house minority leader kevin mccarthyr the insurrection. trump is quoted to have said this guy called me every single day, pretended to be my best friend and then he fed me, he is not a good guy. even though mccarthy walked away his initial comments, trump has reportedly dismissed his attempts to get back in his good graces, kissing his you know what is actually how trump referred to it in this book. joining us now, melanie zunana. we know they weren't getting along and donald trump has a long memory. >> the level of grudge that he holds is so deep. it wasn't just the republicans who voted to impeach him, it was anyone who even whispered a hint of criticism or suggested that he did something wrong. it is remarkable that kevin mccarthy who has hugged trump more tightly than any other republican argue bring is not loyal enough in trump's eyes. and if you are kevin mccarthy, this is the last thing you want to be reading because the house republican conference is more loyal to trump than they are to mccarthy, so it doesn't bo

it's an egregious violation of ethics and shows yet again with kevin mccarthy will never be permittednywhere near the speaker's office. we have to make sure we maintain a democratic majority in congress. >> i just want to dwell on this mccarthy threat because it comes from a legislative body. his power, if he were to become speaker, would be legislative. so he's saying if you comply, if you telecommunications companies comply with legal process, we will write a law and we will pass a law that we would not pass. we wouldn't do this at all, we wouldn't even think about it as long as you didn't comply with legal process. but if you do, we will write a law that will have to be about something like taxation or some regulation of telecommunications in a way that is -- that they haven't even contemplated. he doesn't even know what it is. he couldn't even announce what the actual legislation would be, but what he's clearly saying is this legislation isn't necessary, there's no reason to do it. the only reason we would do it is as some kind of vindictive act against companies that complied wit

melanie, what is kevin mccarthy doing here? .top republican in the house. cnn reported this week that the select committee on january 6th is requesting telecome companies -- mccarthy was not mentioned in this initial batch. that doesn't mean he can't be requested down the loine. listen to what he said in the response last night. quote, if these companies comply with the democrat order to turn over private information they are in violation of federal law and subject to losing their ability to operate in the united states. if companies choose to violate federal law a republican majority will not forget and will hold them fully accountable under the law. it's unclear what law mccarthy is referring to claiming these companies would be violating. this is a duly authorized congressional request. i think the big question is whether mccarthy's statement is running afoul of house ethics rules. the house ethics committee probe is largely toothless and it would take a long time for them to investigate. another option is a criminal referral.

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i think that gets back to the top, what is kevin mccarthy so scared of?ng, he should not be afraid to have people look at his own records. >> one record reason why he may not be on the list so far, is that the conversations are still a matter of public record already, and he has described those conversations already to other people who could be called as witnesses, to say what he said about those conversations. >> exactly and that puts him in a different position from jim jordan, who kind of disassembled about his january 6th conversations. and today suggests that there were many conversations between jordan and trump on january 6th. that itself shows importance. what else to these guys have to do besides cause an insurrection? meanwhile, matt gates, also a subject of the report, he had these conversations with trump. i think he's just excited to be in the headlines for something else other than a sex trafficking investigation. but if these conversations look like they happened, congress is absolutely right to preserve the records. you can't trust these p

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. >> this week we also learned that house minority leader kevin mccarthy is among gop lawmakers whosehone records the january 6th select committee asked to be preserved. one viewer wants to know, is there any legal basis for kevin mccarthy or others to challenge subpoenas from this committee seeking phone records and other documents? what do you think? >> in a word, no. the law says that the phone companies have to respond to subpoenas. there is no law that supports kevin mccarthy's view that they would be violating some law, he's really just making that up. watching for a looming battle because kevin mccarthy himself could get a subpoena at some point from congress because he's going to have really important testimony. that battle will grow as the time passes, jim. >> elie, we'll be watching, we know you will too, thanks so much. >>> coming up, why richard branson's trip to the edge of space is now being investigated by the faa. and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every

kevin mccarthy just because he's, you know, should be treated like any other witness.assume he would fight that. i assume he would say, no. maybe he'd even take the fifth amendment but congress has the ability to discipline its own members. they can refer him to the ethics committee and bring him up on ethics charges if he refuses to participate so i don't think there's any political or legal or substantive reason why they should not call him to tell what he knows. it's the right thing to do. >> pop some popcorn for that. tv and matt are sticking around for more because when we come back, we've been discussing, we've been covering what republican inaction in the face of rising threats of violence has wrought in this country. police in texas are now looking for an arsonist who tried to fire bomb the democratic headquarters in austin, texas. that story is next. headquarters in austin, texas. that story is next what happens when we welcome change? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of th

capitol, trump had another conversation with house minority leader kevin mccarthy. before biden's inauguration. according to the book, mccarthy told trump i don't know what's happened to you in the last two months. you're not the same as you were for the last four years. you've done good things and you want that to be your legacy. call joe biden. let's discuss with i don't know what's happened to you the last two months, he said. it's like a break up. what's your take away? >> i just need to vent a little bit about this book. how many times have we seen this? where bad things happen and then long after the fact, people with special important information go to reporters and set up maybe the public or perhaps the impeachment committee with that information. i mean, i don't think this kevin mccarthy conversation necessarily raises to that bar, but certainly what general milley had to say and was saying behind closed doors with relevant information that should have been disclosed to the impeachment committee, he is talking explicitly about concerns about the president's

it is personal with kevin mccarthy, you be forgive and, rehabilitating him, bringing him back up. >>ticism of her ever since getting tossed from the number three spot in the leadership. mccar think, of course, turned his back on her, effectively pushed her out but mccarthy's calculation is very clear. his conference overwhelmingly supports donald trump, especially some of the mother vocal elements. there are very few people, her and adam kinzinger who really speak out for donald trump. ten voted to impeach. one decided not to run for re-election and others keep their heads down and maybe another one retired, fred upton and there's a reason why kevin mccarthy has done that be. why he went down to mar-a-lago. he knows it's critical for him to become speaker because he'll need those votes and donald trump's support. >> which gets you to the corrupt part as liz cheney sees it and sometimes it's hard to disagree with her in the since that she says they have rehabilitated him and brought him back in. they want to use him to raise money and keep the base voters, trump voters happy because t

crestwhitesmile.com >>> the house minority leader kevin mccarthy is once again stirring up drama theyn it comes to the january 6th insurrection. leaders of the january 6 select committee are slamming mccarthy's claim the d.o.j. concluded trump did not play a role in the deadly insurrection with committee chair bennie thompson and vice chair liz cheney calling it a misinformation campaign. all of this comes just days after mccarthy threatened tech companies who comply with their investigation may actually get in trouble. politico reports that his name is among the list of people whose records are being eyed by the committee. joining us right now on capitol hill with the very latest, nbc news correspondent ali vitale i. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. this january 6 commission has been busy over the course of the last few weeks we've seen them start to ask for a ton of records from seven federal agencies as well as the national archives. those were meant to target a lot of members in the trump administration and the larger donald trump orbit. but then we also saw this we

kevin mccarthy voted to raise the debt ceiling. we don't expect he'll do it this time around because he's just playing politics. and we don't need his support here. hopefully some house republicans will do the right thing. but they voted to raise the debt ceiling three times during the previous administration. now all of a sudden they want to jam up the american people and the american economy and our full faith and credit because they are playing politics? we know house republicans are going to do it. hopefully senate republicans will not. reporter: thank you. speaker pelosi has said that the reconciliation will have to match what's going to go through the senate. that means likely you are going to get paired -- paired down. how are house democrat prioritizing what people are willing to get cut? mr. jeffries: there are ongoing discussions right now. i don't want to comment on the different priorities that people may bring to bear because those are discussions -- quite interesting. reporter: how are you prioritizing what might get

so congressman andy biggs, the head of the house freedom caucus has sent a letter to kevin mccarthy asking him to remove liz cheney and adam kinzinger for their roles going as far to call them spies for the democrats. what do you say to that? >> well, it's absurd. you know, it's really astonishing that people are calling to sanction these two members of congress who are simply doing their duty and other members of congress who are republicans are calling for violence and not a word, not a peep of condemnation for that discussion. it's really very confounding. >> i mean, it makes sense that they're calling for, you know -- calling for against cheney and kinzinger when you consider the minority leader, kevin mccarthy, is threatening telecommunications companies and social media companies if they cooperate with a duly appointed committee. >> well, aside from the fact section 1505 of the federal criminal code says it's a felony to threat to try to impede a congressional investigation, one would hope that the minority leader would want to get to the bottom of what happened here just like the re

, among liz cheney, who dangled this information about kevin mccarthy needing to be a fact witness. now among people covering jim jordan who is humming about how many times and when he talked to donald trump. what is the operating thesis on what they're hiding as it regards records? >> what the select committee is looking for is any sort of phone records showing when and for how long these republican members of congress had calls or text messages with people in the white house. or those in front of the capitol building. they will show when the phone calls happened. they show how long, if there was a voice mail left, missed calls. the wrong time of material. they will have the contents of voice mails and text messages. it will get more clarity in tirms of who was talking to who, before and after that horrific attack. >> i guess how much more is there? mccarthy has detail his call. what was said on that call that mccarthy was told by trump, these insurrectionists care more about the result than you do, kevin. jim jordan talked about talking with him all day. what else do we think ther

look, as we know, kevin mccarthy as one goal, to be speaker of the house. that doesn't sound like than endorsement, anderson. >> it's really fascinating. jamie gangel, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> cnn political commentator scott jennings and former congresswoman barbara comstock of virginia. congresswoman comstock, i wonder what you make of this new reporting? >> well, i think the american people should thank vice president dan quayle, first of all. that was solid and good advice. none of this information is too surprising. what is happening now with these books and what will happen with the january 6th committee and the subpoenas and the texts and the emails that come from all of these people close to the president, we are going to see it in a lot more detail and, unfortunately, as we get more detail, it is going to look even more awful for donald trump because every time you think you're in the basement of awfulness with donald trump, there's another basement below it. but the great news, and i think that is coming out in these books and will come out

first your reaction to kevin mccarthy's threat to the phone companies over saving the phone records.i think it was inappropriate. i think if he had been in charge and the democrats did something like that he would be screaming from the rooftops. as was just said these hearings really do matter. we are already hearing increased opportunities and opportunity is not the right word, many who were there on january 6th may be returning to washington on september 18th. there's a discussion of what security measures will have to be taken again. what happened on january 6th was an attack on democrat see and each those of us on the board didn't understand what was happening on the outside. we have to start pulling ourselves together. this constant fear and ignorance dividing us is really threatening our country. >> what kevin mccarthy did was basically say, when i become speaker, if he becomes speaker i'm going to take action without specifying about the tech companies. >> whatever he's planning to do without specifying any aspect of it that's related to this investigation and into these subpo

with kevin mccarthy that's real. we know he was in touch with the president.nt and basically saying to the tech companies we'll come after you, the telecon companies and the social media companies, we'll come after you when we're in power to do that. how do you manage that situation? as a former prosecutor, district attorney, united states attorney, i'm sorry, how do you think about that? how do you make sure that you don't politicize the idea that they need information that the telecon companies may have to tell them what happened on january 6th. >> number one, what kevin mccarthy is doing is engaging in disinformation. he knows better having been a member of congress. there is case law that says, number one, if there is a power to legislate, then congress has the power to investigate because it needs to educate itself and obtain information so that it can learn about what it needs to know to be able to pass laws. and that includes the oversight of things that occur in our system to decide whether new laws are necessary to fill gaps or changes in the law need