>>undr will, it is also importas note kevin mccarthy was a good fund-raiser when he was speaker.terms of what has changed, look, i think foreign policy namely has changed. we have seen ever since october, china has become an even bigger threat than it was in the specific fear of the war in ukraine is facing a turninge wa point with ukrainians releasingy saying they need the aid appeard arguably most importantly, you had just before this vote, iran launching you 2 to strikes intot israel scenting strikes into israel. the foreign policy calculus of this change ups the ante for republicans and democrats tos co come together on this.tr >> trey: here is one thing i will be watching, matt gaetz went after him after ethics ed probe and it was personal. if nothing has changed and then what you, foreign policy, with the new speaker and lots of things have not changed, how do you expect congressman gaetz to vote? if he votes to keep johnson for the same thing mccarthy did, it does look personal at this point. >> it does, it does. you have president trump and wee know president trump and fo

>> it is also important to note that kevin mccarthy was a very good fundraiser when he was speaker.hat has changed, look, you know, foreign policy namely has changed. ever since october, china has become an even bigger threat than it was in the indo pacific. the war in ukraine is facing a turning point with ukrainians really saying they need that aid . arguably, most importantly, just before this boat you had iran launching retaliatory strike into israel sending drones into israel. i think the foreign policy calculus of this changed and sort of upped the ante for republicans and democrats coming together on this. trey: former speaker mccarthy says a pending ethics probe and it was personal. if nothing has changed other than what you laid out, foreign policy, with a new speaker, and lots of things have not changed, how do you expect congressman gates to boast? it doesn't look personal at this point. >> it does. it does. you have president trump and we know that president trump and former speaker mccarthy definitely had an interesting relationship. mccarthy going down to get trumps ba

give you an opportunity respondent and see if you've had any conversations or discussions with kevin mccarthy or mike johnson about any of those no, i haven't. >> it's obvious from that clip, kevin seven, a totally normal one, and his life is back to copacetic post being speaker. look, i'm the most investigated man and congress, there's not a single human being who has publicly accused me of any wrongdoing of any kind like at what point after these things have been said about me for years and years and not a single person has even accused me of wrongdoing. does this sort of become a strangurn nd my concerns with kevin mccarthy were around his truthfulness, which by the way, he certainly didn't advance any veracity in those comments. >> so let's talk about the issue that i wanted to have. you want to discuss? us and russian troops have been operating under the same military base in niger fairly several weeks. and this is all amid a coup and the country's ruling leaders have made it clear they want the us forces to leave the us still is needs clearance for military flights to withdraw any troop

speaker kevin mccarthy.a great pleasure to be here for there's a lot going on spoke it straight into it. so the speaker, it's been a little over six months since you were ousted i think the technical term is vacated since the chair it was vacated the speakership was vacated. as you have watched the various shenanigans and fights and everything else that's been going on since you left, much as it was before you left, click some dates yes, some people don't. [laughter] i loved every minute of every time i was in office good days, and bad days, the sad part is, it is much more broken now. the motion to vacate has always been there. it's never thought to be used this way except the past couple times. allow eight people to do it one did it for his own personal protection based upon his own life. there is no consequences for it. then there is a freefall and that is what we are reviewing structure to take behavior you adapt to it or leave and now you're watching a lot of people retire from congress. my concern is t

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joining me now is the former speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy.morning. >> well, thank you for the ini have ration to join you. maria: well, you, your reaction the that rally last night in new jersey and this idea that foreign policy is being criticized of president biden just as much as his economic policy. >> well, that was extraordinary. you have to understand new jersey, not a place that people think republicans would with ever compete, but the size of the crowd, could president biden get that crowd in the heart of new york? or in the most democrat state? could he do it in california? the answer is, no. the other thing that we're hearing coming out of the white house itself is the white house is now saying president biden needs to campaign less, talk less because he gets in trouble while doing it. this is president trump showing no matter what they throw at him, he's going to fight back. he's going to heed this nation on the issues they care most about. and a very compelling issue, you had an interesting statistic up there about independent vo

kevin mccarthy, andy biggs, you like crane of arizona? andy biggs? but both of them voigt to kick out mccarthy here, voting to advance this measure. so you're seeing jake mostly the members on the far right, but johnson surviving this and we do expect johnson to address this also, jade in a matter of minutes. >> yeah. all right. manu raju. thank you so much. breaking news. very exciting and coming up in just a few minutes, of course, we're going to have more of cnns, erin burnett, and her exclusive interview with president biden. she's going to show a brand new portion of that exclusive interview next in the situation room with fault wolf, blitzer, and then of course her full interview will hair on erin burnett outfront. tonight's seven eastern right here on cnn happening now, breaking news it is explaining the decision to pause some u.s. bombs shipments israel as new israeli military strikes around raffa are raising urgent concerns that many more civilians in gaza will be killed. also tonight, the president is calling out donald trump& a crucial swin

different than last fall when democrats joined republican led effort by matt gaetz to push out kevin mccarthy from the speakership at that point, they did not weren't weren't able to kill the motion and they went and actually voted out mccarthy, of course, as a first time ever that happened in history that led to a per hour paralyzed house. but there's so much anger in the house right now and you can hear it on the floor of the house when margiela green went to the floor just moments ago and announced a plan to move ahead with this vote members of the house on both sides of the aisle, buddha listen devs to be vacant this is the unit party for the american people watching it will suspend so you can see there where the sentiment lies in the house. >> the question is going to be jake, how many republicans do join are even though she does not have the votes? succeed in this, are there more than a handful? i do. i've spoken to some who believe that they'll vote to advance this resolution because they believe it deserves a vote on its merits and up or down vote about whether to kick johnson out of

leader hakeem jeffries. >> reporter: nine months after getting the job of speaker, republican kevin mccarthyfornia got dumped by the far-right wing of his party following three weeks of paralysis, mike johnson of louisiana took his place. >> i want to thank you all for the trust that you have instilled in me. >> reporter: after he worked with democrats to pass the foreign aid bill that included $61 billion for ukraine, georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, who opposed it, said she will follow through with a threat to oust him. jeffries told us he works to find common ground with the other side of the aisle, and at least one republican who might be happy about that is speaker johnson. >> johnson at some point today -- >> reporter: this past week, democrats said they would vote against congresswoman greene's effort to remove him. >> has speaker johnson asked for your help? >> he has not. and our view would traditionally be let the other side work its own mess out. but when that mess starts to impact the ability to do the job on behalf of the american people, then the responsible thing

but to me quite honestly highlights when matt gaetz and hitts band of misfits dumpeds kevin mccarthy,'t have done it without democrats. that was the majority, the vast majority of people who voted for that who helped matt gaetz and of course, his big complaint is democrats were getting their way among the legislation. the they got their way on that. his one signature piece of legislation.at what did d we wind up with? absolutely no difference. if you like speaker johnson or you don't like him, it wasn't the magic bullet that these people promised. at some point, republicans have to sit down, including matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene and everybody else, and figuregr out what theyigur wanto stand for and fight for that.. until they figure out what it is and how hard they are willing to fight for what it is they believe in, you are going to have a party in the house that basically neutered and democrats are basically going to get their way on a lot of stuff. >> trey: charlie, you just proved how chronological matt gaetz thinking is. kevin mccarthy for working democrats and by working

ahead with the vote to remove house speaker mike johnson using the same procedure that ousted kevin mccarthyt this time, johnson has an unlikely ally. in an interview for this sunday's "60 minutes," our norah o'donnell sits down with house democratic leader hakeem jeffries. >> norah: nine months after getting the job of speaker, republican kevin mccarthy of california got dumped by the far right wing of his party. following three weeks of paralysis, mike johnson of louisiana took his place. >> i want to thank you all for the trust that you have instilled in me. >> norah: after he worked with democrats to pass the foreign aid bill that included $61 billion for ukraine, georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, who opposed it, said she will follow through with the threat to oust him. jeffries told us he works to find common ground with the other side of the aisle, and at least one republican who might be happy about that is speaker johnson. >> johnson, at some point today... >> norah: this past week, democrats said they would vote against congresswoman greene's effort to remove him. has sp

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. >> kevin mccarthy found that out. to keep cold front in a good place and it didn't save him. we should appreciate, to your point, that the request giving him, johnson lost the same number of votes as kevin mccarthy did. the obvious dynamic here is democrats were there. i think the question that we all need to be thinking about is if marjorie taylor greene does this again a week from now or two weeks from now or a month from now, how long are democrats going to be able to >>> saving him ? i think they got something from this the first time, it was bringing up ukraine aid. there will be a lot of things mike johnson will need to do over the next few months to try to get back in good graces with conservatives. this is a guy she wants to be speaker again if republicans win back the house. he will have to do something to mend some fences. this things will probably come at the cost of goodwill with democrats. i think he will probably survive this congress but it is going to become very unpopular in that caucus and i don't kn

house speaker kevin mccarthy, which runs through january. that took place yesterday. focusing on georgia, representative lucy mcbath won. she became a gun control activist after her son was murdered in 2012 and is favored to win a fourth term in congress. she will face jeff criswell. that is the atlanta journal- constitution. also in georgia, it was the fulton county -- wallace, a prosecutor that brought a sprawling racketeering case against president trump and others. she has won her bid for reelection. she defeated christian wyatt smith and is set to face off against republican courtney kramer in the fall. there is more from the associated press. that is a sampling of the contest that took place across the united states. you can roll that into open forum. democrats line. this is jane. go ahead. >> good morning. this has been on my mind for such a long time. nobody ever addresses who is going to take care of the unwanted babies. it is as bad as them being murdered when there is no one to take care of them. society obviously does not want to take care of them. that is

under kevin mccarthy we did seven separate spending bills. and when mike johnson entered did we work on the other five? no, disposed of and an omnibus bill that spends more than nancy pelosi's omnibus build that builds the fbi a brand new building and here we are in our judiciary committee asking them for answers, they mock us. they thumb their noses at us. and why shouldn't they. if we're going to build them a new building and send them strongly worded letters as if we're going to do something about their insolence. the second betrayal of mike johnson was passing fisa without warrants. did he do this in the property way? no. the authority for the fisa 702 program rests with the judiciary committee, but mike johnson decided to let the intel committee run this program and when it came and fought hard in the rules committee and fought hard on the warrant and whether you should have a warrant to file on americans. this is a constitutionally redundant vote and it should be obvious to anybody that's read the constitution that you need warrants and

whereas before kevin mccarthy was ousted as speaker our conference passed seven appropriation bills which were some of the strongest conservative bills passed in decades. speaker johnson refused to continue this important process. he instead led us to another c.r. on january 18, 2024, and got it passed with the support of 207 democrats. >> mr. speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized. ms. greene: and only 107 republicans. while 106 republicans voted against it. whereas speaker johnson passed a third c.r., this time calling it a process c.r., as if that made continuing nancy pelosi's budget yet again any different from the previous c.r.'s. whereas with little to no communication with our conference speaker johnson passed the first minibus omni bill march 6 and passed a minibus bill on the 2 2nd. whereas a two-part omnibus split in two minibuses were crammed in our throats and passed with suspension of the rules with only one day to review it. whereas speaker johnson's omnibus did nothing to stop biden's deadly border invasion, it fully funde

under kevin mccarthy we did seven separate spending bills, and then when mike johnson took over, did we start working on the other five, no. we through the seven in the trash. all the hard work that we had done mike johnson disposed of and decided to do an omnibus bill. it spends more than nancy pelosi's bill. the bill builds the fbi a brand-new building. meanwhile we are overhearing the judiciary committee asking them for answers. they mocked us, they thumbed their noses at us. why shouldn't day. if we will build them a new building and send them strongly worded letters as if we are going to do something. the second betrayal of mike johnson was passing fisa without warrants. did he do this in the proper way, no. the authority for the 702 program rests with the judiciary program. mike johnson decided to let the intel committee run this program. and then when it came, we fought hard and the rules committee, we fought hard and judiciary, we have to vote on the floor on warrants whether we have to have a warrant to spy on americans. this is a constitutionally redundant vote. it should b

under kevin mccarthy we did seven separate spending bills. when mike johnson took over, did we start working on the other five? no, we threw the seven in the trash. all the hard work we had done, mike johnson disposed of and decided to do an omnibus bill. an omnibus bill that spends more than nancy pelosi's omnibus bill. a bill that builds the f.b.i. a new billing. meanwhile in judiciary we're asking them for answers and they mock us, thumb their noses at us. and why shouldn't they? if we're going to build them a new building and send them strongly-worded lettersering, as if we're going to do something about their inceness lens. the second betrayal of mike johnson was passing fisa. passing fisa without warrants. did he did this in the proper way? no. the authority rests with the judiciary committee but mike johnson decided to let the intel committee run this program. when it came, we fought hard in the rules committee, fought hard in judiciary, got a vote on the floor on warrants, whether you should have to have a warrant to spy on americans.

prevent just to repeat the k is that ensured after the removal of the former speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. so for now that seems off the table because there's so many other topics that the house of representatives needs it to look into. and we can also expect more discussions from both sides over this position of washington to hold this shipment on farms now and to consider if they will sending a weapons as we've heard from, from president 5. and today really strong words showing that this criticism of the way that the israeli government opinion mean that's ano is dealing and is carrying out this attacks in solving cause a showing this risk between both governments. the us in israel, in washington dc pennyman over his group. thanks so much i or alright, let's have a look at some of the other stories making headlines. this i'll laugh, it has must the 79th anniversary of the end of world war 2 in europe. government latest light rates at the annual day for remembered ceremony in regions for life via the end of the book. also, harold, in the beginning of 45 years of serve you ok patient activ

he will serve o t remainder of former house speaker republican congressman kevin mccarthy's term whichnl e end of the year. later in theeethe house will consider its first federal spending bl for 2025 funding for military construction projects in the veteransffrs department. the senate also returns from recess on monday at 3:00 p.m. eastern. next week senate lawmakers will consider several exeti nominations for the nuclear regularyommission and u.s. representative to the african union. eyre expected to take up judialominations to the d.c. superior court. watch live coverage of the house on c-span, see the sene c-span two. you can watch all our congressional coverage of our free video app c-span now or online at c-span.org. c-span has been delivering unfiltered congressional coverage for 45 years. here is a highlight from a key moment. >> to my colleagues, my frien ed family, i have hurt you all deeply and i beg your forgiveness. i was prepared to lead our narrow majority as speaker and i believe i had it in me to dofin. but i cannot do that job or be the kind of leader i would like to

are you glad they're going to back you and prevented from resulting in the kevin mccarthy situation?aven't asked anyone to do that, there's no exchange of anything here, they are doing that spontaneously, i think there people of good faith in both parties who want to congress to be functioning. last time the chair was vacating when it happened to kevin mccarthy, we shut congress down three weeks. imagine how dangerous that would be in the midst of hot wars around the world and insurrection on campuses and all the rest that's going on, we have to have a functioning congress and i think people see that and they don't want the chaos to ensue. >> i've been doing this a long time and we seen crazy things from 9/11 to the collapse of the economy in 2008, i will never forget a week like this and this week when we saw this college chaos and vilified men and women in blue to go in and bring order to disorder and columbia at ucla and around the country and you are looking at a bunch of things and you are looking at who is funding all this as well as why are we giving big money to colleges to s

under kevin mccarthy we did seven separate spending bills. when mike johnson took over. did we start working on the other five? no. we threw the seven in the trash. all the hard work that we had done. mike johnson disposed of. and decided to do an omnibus bill. an omnibus bill that spends more than nancy pelosi's omnibus bill. an omnibus bill that builds the f.b.i. a brand new building. meanwhile, we are over here in -- our judiciary committee asking them for answers. they mock us. they thumb their noses at us. and why shouldn't they? if we are going to build them a new building and send them strongly worded letters as if we are going to do something about their i.n.s. lance -- insulence. the second betrayal of mike johnson was fisa. passing fisa without warrants. did he do this in the proper way? no. the authority for the fisa 702 program rests with the judiciary committee. but mike johnson decided to let the intel committee run this program. then when it came, we fought hard in the rules committee. we fought hard in judiciary. we got a vote on the floor on warrants. wh

>> well, look, when they made the motion to vacate kevin mccarthy the first thing that happened was a it deserves an answer. i don't think the motion to table should be made in order. then as now, i will vote against tabling the resolution because whahakim jeffries said he will support a motion to table, i don't think we'll get an answer on the motion to vacate this time. last time we were able to vote both ways. here's the thing. congressman mike johnson is a guy that everybody united behind and supported him to become the next speaker of the house but speaker mike johnson has made all kinds of bad decisions that frankly the majority of the party has not supported. so we're hoping to reclaim mike johnson, get him back in the role as speaker and get him back on track. no wonder democrats plan to cover for him. he's delivering a lot of their ajen. agenda. maria: marjorie taylor greene tweeted out this. mike johnson responded to fbi corruption by giving them a new headquarters, to border insanity by spending billions on migration aassistance and hamas' attack on israel by giving them a

many people believe kevin mccarthy is behind her opponent, but then there's a very interesting election right here in virginia, facing a maga republican. bob good would say that he is extremely conservative, however he did not support former president trump during his primary. he backed ron desantis and i think these interparty battles, and keeping an eye on these interparty battles. host: there's always one race that sneaks out every election cycle that nobody had on their radar. has there been a surprise so far? guest: a democrat from new york. his opponent was backed by a pack, a jewish funded pac. the sentiment there is that because of his views against funding israel, there is this ever to oust him. but what i can tell you is that he focuses his attention on a primary trying to win back the house. it is kind of a distraction for them. host: is the campaign committee playing in this race? guest: i think people are going to be very safe, especially members of congress who are probably not going to talk about the race or not going to pick a side, which is again very interesting as wel

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taylor green, ridiculous attempt to oust him and with the help of democrats come up with the kevin mccarthyizing 20 chance to catch up with johnson in dc this week, less about that and much more watch. >> kevin mccarthy said last week the cause of people by surprise and he said that never would've allowed to be safe might impress like speaker johnson. >> kevin to tell people in the building that he had made a deal with pelosi any stuff they would save him by contrast, i did not make a deal i didn't have a conversation i did not ask democrats to do anything at all and they voted their own conscious. >> i'm one of. >> is visually new york city, downtown in the courtroom why was it important for you to be there. >> is important does a show support from fred think what is happening to him is outrageous that me a former litigator myself with her doing to our system of justice is undermining people's faith in you because is very clear what is happening here this law fair is the best word to describe it is purely political, not legal at all kenny literally define the crime that he is supposedly co

. >> next, a conversation with former house speaker kevin mccarthy on the state of u.s. politics and congress. he also talks about the upcoming election, including his support for former president donald trump and his thoughts on a potential runningmate. this is part of an event hosted by the milken institute in california. about it's 20 minutes. cspan2. ♪ ♪ ♪

and kevin mccarthy allowed that to happen. that's not lost on anybody. what we are saying is we don't need to be a part of that. let's turn the page. let's focus on the issues that the american people care about. there's an f.a.a. bill that was dropped. there's important work that we still have ahead. so i haven't read her full statement, but i'm not going to get into a back and forth on what she means. reporter: so on that note with marjorie taylor greene, though, she's threatening to bring this up over and over again. is it time for democrats to try to change the rules, to raise this threshold on the motion to vacate? mr. aguilar: again, this is a republican rule. they have the ability to change their own rules. we all voted against this republican vote that -- rule that would allow one person to bring it. if they are concerned about the rules that they all voted for, it is completely within their right to revisit that and to bring something to the house floor. if they want to make changes in a bipartisan way, i think they know where to find leader jef

former speaker kevin mccarthy has thoughts. >> i think trump's going to play this like "apprentice,"ke you join truth, make you follow it, and whoever you think is in the lead, somebody's going to come up from behind. it's going to make great television. >> another take from msnbc columnist, charlie sykes who in our how to win 2024 news letter argues that trump's search is pure cringe, with potential running mates showing they are willing to throw out history, common sense, and basic decency. charlie sykes with me, along with john kasich, former republican governor of ohio, and msnbc analyst. expand on your thought, what do you mean by pure cringe? >> well, i mean, look what they had to do as part of the audition, part of the vp apprentice show that kevin mccarthy is talking about. they have to mimic donald trump's every bit of rhetoric. they have to prove that they are also election denialists, marco rubio is refusing to say he wouldn't move out of florida. you have elise stefanik, attacking the special prosecutor, and adopting donald trump's use of the word hostage to describe the

. >> dana: kevin mccarthy and karl rove are with us on set. let's get to eric shawn at the courthouse. hi, eric. >> good morning, dana and bill. michael cohen will likely face a crushing cross examination later on today as todd blanch will try to rip his character, his composure and his whole story apart. as you have been saying yesterday, mr. trump's former loyal fixer and lawyer took the stand and testified against him saying it was president trump who was behind the whole scheme to falsify those business records and hide stormy daniels' story of having sex with him all to protect his 2016 presidential bid. trump's lawyer expected to launch that savage assault on cohen tearing into his history of lying under oath, his deception and duplicity to undermine his claims that have bolstered the prosecution case. he said when stormy came forward with her story in the final days of the presidential race trump reacted by saying it's a disaster, a total disaster. women are going to hate me. this will be a disaster for the campaign. trump told him to a

and, under the past two speakers, whether it is kevin mccarthy, or micah johnson, they are just letting most extreme and chaotic members of their caucus take over congress, which is not good for either party or our country. >> congresswoman, you cannot ignore all of the protests that are going on on all of the college campuses across the united states. but, the key to what is going on is trying to resolve the israel hamas war, trying to get the rest of the hostages back and trying to figure out a path to move forward. we know the cia director, william burns, is now in cairo, egypt, where negotiations are underway to be able to find and achieve a cease-fire agreement. share with us your confidence that you think they will be able to reach a deal that will actually, hopefully end the war. >> we can't predict exactly what is going to happen but we all want an end to this war. any type of and must include a cease-fire from both parties, from hamas and from israel. it cannot be one-sided. we need our american hostages back, especially. >> i also wanted to talk about this a bill that was rece

>> the candidate who ended up winning, vince vaughn is a former staffer and aide to kevin mccarthy, he republican race in california's top two system where the top two candidates, regardless of party, advanced to special elections, and you ended up having in that case, it was two republicans who did advance into the top two. and when fong gets sworn in, he will give republicans a 218 to 213 majority, such a slim majority for house republicans, but they have just a little bit more breathing room than they did before this. >> you wrote a really interesting piece, susan, for how to win 2024. you jumped ahead to 2028, talking about people like nikki haley, ron desantis, and chris sununu. and you write, in politics, we talk about how to win. if you're a potential republican candidate thinking about the future, these days you might be more focused on how not to lose. explain what you mean? >> well, when you look at the 2028 election, we're going to say who came out of 2024 the best off. it's a delicate balance because these candidates, well, so far nikki haley has not, but you have to embrac

. >> i think she may have looked at the first effort to remove a speaker, kenning mccarthy -- kevin mccarthyage, raised money, raised their profiles, and so maybe she thought this was an opportunity to raise her profile. howard: for her brand, in other words if. >> yeah. i thought she was looking for an exit ramp, to be honest with yo- howard: uh-huh, i thought so too. >> but she, i guess, felt like she had to go forward or people would say she chickened out, something to that effect. in this political environment, 359-43 is as close to unanimous, bipartisan as you get in this environment, stunning rebuke. howard: well, some did say she was chickening out in the 15 minutes between when he said she's not doing it and when she did it. politico says mike johnson is not some forrest gump character but, actually, pretty skillful. he changed his position, to got through the foreign aid package including aid to ukraine not that poppe a lahr with the gop and then maneuvering to save his job. >> right. he's handling difficult circumstances. like i said, the balance of power is not necessarily in the