kevin peraino, what is the catch that you are taking with abraham lincoln? >> books about abraham lincoln but the policy is never treated as though my book is about lincoln and u.s. foreign policy. part of the reason is there hasn't been a policy in nearly 70 years, a kind of holistic human narrative about it and that is before the lincoln papers were released in congress in 1947, so there is a lot of water under the bridge, but i think that one of the reasons there hasn't been a book about the foreign policy is that there's a strong and competent secretary of state. he delegated a lot and so lincoln didn't do everything in foreign affairs. but the things he did do are really important, so i sliced it a little differently. i've taken a look at the things lincoln did do in the foreign relations but without saying he did everything right by the way. he made some mistakes, too. >> was the foreign policy all tied into the civil war? >> we treat the civil war appeared to in this book and i also have a chapter early on about the mexican war. lincoln was a freshman