some of you may know last year and he's still pushing it pretty hard kevin rudd, the then new premier of australia has been pushing an asia-pacific community which would combine economic security and political. that is not, he has not gotten very far with that, but i don't think he's going to give up, and it has caused others to say we may not agree with kevin rudd, but we need to go forward. so i think both india and the united states are going to have to, as i say, make some decisions. the administration, for instance, there is on the table now the so-walled p-4 agreement -- so-called p-4 agreement which is a little dart that schwab sent their way by starting negotiations with the p-4 which is singapore, brunei, chile and new zealand which has already been taken as part of a sign of the obama administration interest in getting forward in some sort of regional approach. my only feeling from the united states' position and not speaking in any sense or knowing how the indian government would react to this would be that the united states should really move, i think, aggressively at leas