i spoke to kevin rudd, former prime minister of australia and president of the asia society policy institute i think it is possible, and the reason i say so is because china does have a state planning system and, on top of that, china has concluded, i think, that it is in its own national interests to bring about a radical reduction in carbon over time, so the two big announcements coming out of xijinping at the un general assembly have been, a, the one you've just referred to, which is to achieve carbon neutrality before 2060, and also for china to reach what's called peak greenhouse gas emissions before 2030. the international community would be pressuring them to bring that forward as much as possible, respectably, we hope, to close to 2050, and we hope close to 2025 as far as peak emissions are concerned, but we'll have to wait and see until china produces its 14th 5—year plan. i guess we can probably assume that president trump wasn't impressed, he's made his position pretty clear on these matters. how do you think other countries will respond or will they just say, "china can do that,