the outcome of the summit and what lies ahead is one of the world's lea leading china experts, kevin rudd, and he is now the ambassador to the united states. he's also the author of the avoidable war, on the dangers of a u.s.-china conflict. kevin, welcome. tell us, it seemed to me that this was very different mood music from what we have been hearing from u.s.-china meetings ever since really the start of the biden administration, that anchorage summit with the neutral accusations. did it strike you that way, and if so, why? >> well, fareed, i think it is both different mood music and it is also a different base note as well. i think having looked at those meetings over the last 30 or 40 years of my own career, you get to a sense of the rhythms and the changes within each of them. and over the last two years we've gone from near catastrophic engagement, you mentioned anchorage, to where we are now, to a meeting if you were to summarize it up, it is about stabilizing the geopolitical relationship and if they could bring it about, making it more strategically predictable. why has china mov

kevin rudd tells us what happened. >>> the most important bilateral relationship in the world, that isdent xi described the u.s.-china relationship as he sat with president biden this week in california. before the meeting was the first in a year, amid strained relations between the two nations. joining me to discuss the outcome of the summit and what's ahead are the world's leading china's experts, kevin rudd. he served as the prime minister and is now that country's ambassador to the united states. he is also the author of "the avoidable war on the dangers of the u.s.-china conflict." kevin, welcome. tell us, it seemed to me that this was very different mood music from what we have been hearing from u.s.-china meetings ever since, really, the start of the biden administration that anchoraged summit, did it strike you that way? and if so, why? >> fareed, it's both different mood music and it's also a different base notes, as well. i think having looked at these meetings now over the last 30 or 40 years of my own career, you get a sense of the rhythms and the changes within each of the