joining us live with more is kevin trung, staff writer for the standard. thank you for joining us. kristen: how big of a drop did you find in airbnb bookings this year? kevin: what we are seeing is occupancy down. . this is according to the owner of an airbnb management company active in the bay area. occupancy down 20% to compared to last year. pricing down 40%. kristen: wow. is that just san francisco or bay area wide? kevin: that is just san francisco. the gentleman i spoke to who runs properties across the bay area has seen a wide decline across the bay area. some places less than san francisco. some places like oakland seeing steeper declines. kristen: what do airbnb hosts in their groups think is driving this? kevin: there are a few reasons why. part of it is a return to more normal patterns after 2022, which saw what a lot of folks have colorfully dubbed revenge travel. a lot of pent-up demand filling up airbnb's. hotels, tourist things of that nature. alternatively, we have not seen a return in the international tourists. a lot of the folks who used to come from east asia in