we are joined by kevin vogel, reporter for politico. and author of a book. sh . >> good to have you with us. a lot of them using anecdotes as seattle. >> big party with big-money people, including bill gates and steve balmer of microscost, and president obama quoted as saying "i may be the last presidential candidate to win the way i won." he's saying given the new environment in political contributions, that there's no way that a grass roots politician could win again. >> that seems to be the suggestion. it's interesting to look at the difference between 2008 when he was the grass roots candidate and seemed to spark a revolution in donations, where they could overpower big donations. what happened in 2008 and 2012 was a decision allowing unlimited spending by rich individuals, corporations and unions. in 2012 it's a different story where president obama accorded the wealthy donors. >> you are not terribly gentle on the president. you refer to him as a big sinic. >> he came up. his identity was interwoven with the idea of changing the way it works. i'm talki