york times and who her more learned a songe or the new york times legacy joining me to discuss is kevin zeese executive director and co-founder of voters for peace kevin thanks for joining us today now what it's really what do you make of this tell all on the signs coming from the new york times how would you characterize it as as as it sleazy as a backstabbing as a vicious or i don't know is it just me know the way the game works don't it into a passionate affair with the new york times that's for sure they'll kiss and tell it seems like i mean the new york times has a close relationship with the u.s. security state for a long time in the buildup to the iraq war they printed pressure elise's about false weapons of mass destruction that got us into war so they're not a very trustworthy partner for his own wants transparency in government so this is a relationship that was always going to be a difficult one i don't think the new york times today would print the pentagon papers in fact at various congresses new york times executive said that so i don't it is a relationship that was made in heav