up, kevinfollow wheeler come in introducing this idea said he wants to open up this market and make it more where consumers can buy their own devices like with mobile phones, tvs, and other electronics. do either of you think there is something similar or different to that analogy that would make it such this proposal would or would not work? >> we think it is the perfect analogy. you have the interface between the device and network. it would be possible for people to sell across the interface. it is just like computers or modems. microsoft case was about the interface, the court said, open the interface, and you get competition. we have seen that time and time again. remember the old telephone market? , no one can say plug a phone and, they will blow it up. they were wrong. we got tremendous cover edition. -- competition. that is our point. open the interface and you can get competition. box,u look at the set-top rather than making a judgment about whether it is or is not like the other things, look at it and say, it is not the -- behaving like the other things, and why? the answer i