when you take a look at names like keycorp. of ohio, you have m&t bank up in buffalo, new york, and regions financial down in alabama pennsylvania, another very good bank all of these banks have very low-cost deposits. they make commercial loans that are tied to the fed funds rate, and therefore the margins are going to improve, not only did they improve in the second quarter, they're going to improve again in the third and fourth quarters of this year >> wow it's funny you're talking about the banking capitals of america. buffalo, cincinnati, birmingham, alabama. what are they doing right? maybe because they're not -- they don't want to be fancy. them to make money >> when you think about the financial markets, that's affecting wealth management, it's affecting asset management and investment banking and these traditional regional banks, they have some of that, but that's not the dominant area that they're known more. they're known for lending. and they have been struggling during the pandemic and loan growth has really picked