and so when i wrote the memo i did say to him, you know -- and in debates keyes got under his skin and don't know whether you're -- this is, boxing fans will appreciate this reference and it may be self-evident. i don't know if you're mohamed alley or floyd patterson -- mohamed ali. i don't know when you get hit how you'll respond and, you know, we'll not know until you get into this. but it's something that you need to to think about. and the truth is that he, you know you learn about your candidate in a presidential race. presidential races are gauntlets, and they're filled with -- we have a ridiculous system. i mean, the campaigns are too long they're clearly too expensive. there's a lot wrong with the way we elect presidents but one virtue of them is that you do learn who people are. i said in 2011 that presidential campaigns are mris for the soul. you do find out who people are. and i learned a lot about him during that campaign. and, yes, he could take a punch. and what i mostly learned is in the most pressure-filled situations we faced in that campaign, he was at his calmest and