vilified you know we hear about things like the paradox of thrift and where you hear about why keynesian ican economics that the economics of debt is the best and. but my and my question though. is. how did this religion of debt in america and everyone is in debt this unbelievable amounts of debt and it's excepted as the best way to have an economy how do you overcome that that that orthodoxy in the united states where the way to run an economy is to plunges deep into debt as possible because it's not that that's exactly what they tell us that's exactly what mainstream media is pushing and of course because it would be the complete opposite of that but how do you deal with the fact that we have we live in a culture here that worships debt to me yeah and we really do worship that end there and everyone is leveraged up to their eyeballs and consumers businesses governments out of everybody around the world is leverage up to their eyeballs and it's not a very good situation to be in because it makes absolutely everybody fragile i think the way you get out of that that cycle is to actually get ro