we need that keystone pipeline. if war breaks out in the middle east or the straits of hormuz we'll be sorry we don't have the pipeline. >> we'll get eventually. >> this whole issue may have something bigger going on here and that is if it is indicative of the world slowing down a little bit because prices globally have been coming down your ratio upstanding for europe and latin america and i'm wondering if that is signaling something more worrisome, demand might add. >> no, i don't agree with that. >> really? >> i think prices were inflated and we have a plentiful amount of crude. using less than that. >> chinese economy is slowing down. >> can we cut her mike please? with enis the last time we did that on this show in. >> i love that we can celebrate american energy independence. >> whoa, it's a legitimate point the world economy is slower. it is slowing. >> all right. >> chinese economy -- >> keep charlie's mike on, kill degan's. degan's. ♪ ♪ >>> well, it turns out the government isn't only bad at healthcare roll

not just for the southern leg, not just for keystone xl but for the keystone pipeline system. those conditions go above and beyond what's in the books now. no pipeline in the united states has to meet those conditions. we've already been doing it for the last two or three years for the first two segments keystone has been in operation and performing well. those standards, the bar was pretty high to begin with. we raised the bar in terms of design and construction and engineering of keystone xl. >> talk about the oilsand from canada. is it different than any other oil crude oil that's coming from the ground or how does it differ? what are the concerns there? >> there have been a number of studies taking a look at that. those independent credible reviews have concluded that there isn't any difference. the composition of it is the same of the oil we import from venezuela. it's actually liker than some of the oil that comes out of california. the speculation and that's pretty much what it is about the composition of oilsands is just that, speculation. you also have to keep in mind

we already have the keystone pipeline that has been pumping oil. there has not been a leak. >> the u.s. state department's environmental review shows the company's existing pipeline has reportedly leaking 14 times in one year. transcanada is spending millions to make its case to build keystone xl. the pipeline spent more than $2.6 million lobbying between 2009 and 2013. congressman terry has received $300,000 from the oil and gas industry since 2000. it is a fact that those oppose the pipeline in his own state. >> over 14 years. that puts me at the bottom of the energy committee folks. >> these answer the criticism. -- please answer the criticism. >> i came here to be energy independent. >> allowing the pipeline to be built -- >> president obama has said he would approve keystone xl provided that it does not increase greenhouse gas emissions, the congressman has little faith that he will act. >> i do not think he will make the decision. >> you think he will leave the decision undone and definitely -- indefinitely? >> their plan is to delay it out o

and canada without the keystone next -- keystone xl pipeline. guest: that is right. place in which oil is reduce in united states -- produced in the united states and canada, for that matter, has brought intoo be cushing. the pipelines exist. it is a matter of accommodating the increased production and tie user.roduction to the end- production is happening much more dynamically and faster than the infrastructure can keep up with as we try to get the crude where it needs to go. host: "the washington post" had this ad in its paper on monday the canadian government is lobbying lawmakers here in washington through "a washington post." here is an economic question, russell evans. tax twitter -- get rid of breaks, loopholes and subsidies for big oil and coal, and create more incentives for clean energy and balance the field. question, where does that stand and how does it benefit oil and alternative energy companies? sure, countries across the spectrum of the energy industry enjoy subsidies or tax credits. we continue to develop wind farms at a rapid pace here in oklahoma

and canada without the keystone next -- keystone xl pipeline. guest: that is right. place in which oil is reduce in united states -- produced in the united states and canada, for that matter, has brought intoo be cushing. the pipelines exist. it is a matter of accommodating the increased production and tie user.roduction to the end- production is happening much more dynamically and faster than the infrastructure can keep up with as we try to get the crude where it needs to go. host: "the washington post" had this ad in its paper on monday the canadian government is lobbying lawmakers here in washington through "a washington post." here is an economic question, russell evans. tax twitter -- get rid of breaks, loopholes and subsidies for big oil and coal, and create more incentives for clean energy and balance the field. question, where does that stand and how does it benefit oil and alternative energy companies? sure, countries across the spectrum of the energy industry enjoy subsidies or tax credits. we continue to develop wind farms at a rapid pace here in oklahoma

gulf of mexico but the decision on whether to build keystone has been debated and delayed because of washington politics. so now the nation's railroads piped up but will it work? jackie deangelis has more. >> reporter: the keystone pipeline surrounded by controversy, a decision pending that would transport canadian oil to gulf coast refineries on north american oil. but do we need it? believe it or not, rail is increasingly becoming a viable means for transporting supplies and a few key companies in canada are moving quickly to at capacity. >> it hit a record of 4.1 million barrels a day and expected to grow to 5 billion barrels a day. >> reporter: an lit tick firm ihs can estimates it could grow to handle 700,000 barrels of crude a day from the oil sands region in western canada, and that's a low estimate. right now, trains carry about 150,000 barrels from there. >> without the keystone pipeline, crude by rail capacity is expected to increase substantially from about 500,000 barrels a day today in canada to over 1 million barrels a day by the end of 2014. >>> compare that to keyston

pipeline the keystone pipeline will solve all these problems do you know that the stock silver railroad companies now are going through the roof in the carbon footprint tell the of a railroad line is far much greater than out of the pipeline so why are not the liberals out there marching for the keystone pipeline right now so they're going to deal are you going to try and all two thousand miles of that pipeline we're going to put a guard every hundred feet or something what happens when someone can do that let us have a deal well i. terrorist or whether it's some you know. middle eastern terrorists decides that they're going to put joe all we take is a half a dozen sticks of dynamite well i mean why hasn't happened why hasn't happened in alaska look come on you could you could make up anything you want but the fact is that the pipeline would officially in with so much less carbon emissions transport this oil in the cost of doing so is about seven dollars a barrel compared to thirty five dollars by the rail lines which is being passed on to the consumer the poor look to the poor people b

the environment each year without being reported do we really need another giant oil pipeline the keystone x.l. pipeline running right through the middle of the country and pose even more dangers to the environment and to our health and by the way you know a giant target giant bowls to any terrorist who you know wants to do something to us. no we don't and you know no we don't we don't need a pipeline and it's here we are in the twenty first century still trying to cling to nineteenth century forms of forms of energy here and it just shows look this is going to be a massive cleanup this latest news happens on a month month week to week basis month to month basis we have these environmental spills and it shows that there's a price to to burning fossil fuels there's a price of the sort of energy and it's a price that's not borne by carbon producers it's borne by we've the taxpayers it shows that capitalism can't fix this problem there's no market incentive to get the fossil fuel industry to start using renewable energy this is going to take action it's going to take regulations to ultimately

a mistake to make keystone the number one fight?>> well, so i read that article and there's a few others like it. two things about it. there's two faulty assumptions in the article. the first is the level of carbon pollution from the pipeline. what -- his assumption is that the oil comes from the tar sands no matter what, whether it comes from -- whether it's transported through the pipeline or goes by rail to the u.s. to other countries or whether it goes on trucks or wherever, you know, it's put on horseback, however it comes, the assumption is the oil comes out no matter what. that's a cynical projection. if we actually extract the oil from the tar sands that's economically recoverable and extract similar amounts of oil from other oil fields, we have zero chance of stabilizing greenhouse gas emissions. scientists have now agreed that if we want to keep global warming to a roughly manageable level and limit warming to 3.6 degrees fahrenheit, we have to keep two-thirds of phos fossil feels in the ground. that's a hard task. we have

raising this question, how necessary is keystone?es by the end of year, rail loading capacity could grow enough to handle 700,000 barrels of crude a day from the oil sands region in western canada. keystone is designed to carry 830 barrels a day. rail capacity is essentially in line. the question is, how much it's going to cost to use rail as a means of transport for crude. estimates indicate right now that shipping oil domestically by rail is about $4 to $5 more expensive per barrel than by pipeline and shipping rail from the canadian oil sands to the gulf coast would be $7 or more expensive per barrel. the cost is definitely higher, but if keystone doesn't get approved, rail is definitely a viable option. what about safety? last summer's fatal accident in quebec has raised eyebrows but analysts say they face fewer obstacles than pipelines. >> people don't realize shipping crude by rail is safe. in fact, we are shipping over 800,000 barrels a day of ethanol throughout the country to meet motor fuel requirements. and one rarely hears

the keystone xl pipeline was number one on the list. why?.uest: for two reasons one, it has become symbolic of the types of choices the administration needs to make. one of the things the president said in his climate speech at building thene, keystone xl pipeline is not in our country's interested it would expand or exacerbate the challenge of stab amazing -- stabilizing greenhouse gas emissions. aat is true for keystone and variety of other energy decisions the energy -- the country is making. keystone has become a high- profile is true -- issue and symbolically, it is important. is one of the dirtiest sources of oil on the planet. you cannot reduce greenhouse gas emissions, cut carbon pollution, and expand investment in the dirtiest sources of oil on the planet. so, we have to have a reconciliation of the president's policy. if we are serious about a stable climate, and you have to cut emissions, you cannot grow new sources of dirty oil. york magazine," -- "the keystone fight is a huge -- make keystoneto the number 15? -- number one fight

refiners don't care if keystone xl gets built. you have this from the washington times this week last week both sides on keystone agree that obama must act because this is going to be part of his legacy. guest: wow. that's true. refiners do care. you do have these large volumes. what's going to happen, if keystone isn't built this oil will come into the united states by rail car. it's just dramatically increased. the pipeline is a simpler way to do it. they're bringing in oil and sort of seem like something john d. rockefeller would have been done. it becomes the modern way. the keystone xl has become a symbol that is far greater than the actual pipeline. this is the most famous pipeline in the world that hasn't yet been build. if we don't use the canadian oilsands we'll import oil from venezuela which has the same carbon footprint. it looks like there may be some clarification. this is not only question of legacy but it's a very long running drama. kennedy. at a senate jew dish ri committee senators questioned the bureau of priso

the keystone xl pipeline was number one on the list. why?.uest: for two reasons one, it has become symbolic of the types of choices the administration needs to make. one of the things the president said in his climate speech at building thene, keystone xl pipeline is not in our country's interested it would expand or exacerbate the challenge of stab amazing -- stabilizing greenhouse gas emissions. aat is true for keystone and variety of other energy decisions the energy -- the country is making. keystone has become a high- profile is true -- issue and symbolically, it is important. is one of the dirtiest sources of oil on the planet. you cannot reduce greenhouse gas emissions, cut carbon pollution, and expand investment in the dirtiest sources of oil on the planet. so, we have to have a reconciliation of the president's policy. if we are serious about a stable climate, and you have to cut emissions, you cannot grow new sources of dirty oil. york magazine," -- "the keystone fight is a huge -- make keystoneto the number 15? -- number one fight

anna werner has been investigating. >> you're standing on top of the keystone x .l. pipeline right now. >> reporter: crews finished laying the southern half of the keystone oil pipeline through david whitley's texas property last year. so he was surprised in may when a work crew began to unearth the pipe. >> i asked, "is there something wrong?" that's exactly what i said. "is there something wrong?" they said, "no, we just want to visually inspect a small section of the pipeline." >> reporter: whitley took video of the section they dug up. it had been laid on top of a massive rock. workers wrote, "dented, cut out." so what was your reaction when you saw this? >> well, when i saw it i thought they should have done a better job when they first laid the pipe about getting rid of that rock. >> reporter: we obtained warning letters written over the past two months to trans-canada from the federal agency that regulates pipelines. this september 10 letter warned the company it was not following its own construction specifications because dents on the pipe were found at dig

the keystone pipeline.uch shipping of oil as opposed to pipelines and other things going in the president has delayed this thing so long that it is not going to be done. are you hearing anything about that? >> you know, i heard both side of that argument. i also heard rumblings that it was going to get done. maybe will get done after this president gets out of office. tell you what dave, this is lose-lose for everybody. i don't care who you are, what side of equation. if you're an environmentalist this is losing proposition. you want to know why? that oil sand oil you're trying to stop is going to be produced. the only problem when you transport it, it will begreater. they will have to move it by rail and by truck. much more dangerous to the environment. so they're going to lose. david: bottom line, by the way, we're going to lose the jobs as well. >> right. david: that is one of the keys. do you think in the end this gets done or not? >> i think it gets done. david: all right. >> at some point, common sens

it's a made up group and architect actualally, the keystone and the foundation are different things. one is at the top and one is at the bottom. my point is these guys seem more like expert doctors and more likely the shady expert witnesses paid about it defense. to say that the bullet wound is maybe a third nipple, i don't know. what fox really needs is an in-house psychiatrist. >> joining house in is fox news in-house psychiatrist dr. keith ablow. [ laughter ] >> jon: this isn't going to work out well. dr. keith ablow despite the fact that he is a mental health professional with a segment called normal or not, i can only hope he is the voice of sanity and reason. >> do you really believe children are going to turn transgender from watching chaz [cheers and applause] >> jon: welcome back my guest tonight cohost of msnbc's morning show his new book is called the right path. again, welcome back to the program joe scarborough, joseph. nice to see you. [cheers and applause] how are you? thank you for joining us so late. i know you have to get up at 4:00 in the morning. >> it's awful. >>

so it looks like obama's approval for keystone x.l. is actually a secondary concern for the oil lobby so what else did the media choose to ignore walk covering mayor make cracky what canada's and brought in a major spine snafu of its own to see the sea as the sea canada's and as a counterpart was just fine and brazil's ministry of mines and energy and egregious example of industrial espionage not to mention a recent lawsuit filed by the british columbia civil liberties association against the sea as sea for intercepting the private communications and collecting the metadata of canadian citizens but hey rob ford's personal meltdown is just too right to pass up for the corporate media to binge on because we all know how much trash she tabloid journalism gets them high. so i had all speak with ten car but the potential end of the internet as we know it. has something to say everybody. i'm up to a person want to sit next to on an airport. i mean there's always in the waters and . that's whether it's a ballet dancer a ballplayer present thi

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the keystone xl pipeline was number one on the list. why?t: for two reasons one, it has become symbolic of the types of choices the administration needs to make. one of the things the president said in his climate speech at building thene, keystone xl pipeline is not in our country's interested it would expand or exacerbate the challenge of stab amazing -- stabilizing greenhouse gas emissions. aat is true for keystone and variety of other energy decisions the energy -- the country is making. keystone has become a high- profile is true -- issue and symbolically, it is important. is one of the dirtiest sources of oil on the planet. you cannot reduce greenhouse gas emissions, cut carbon pollution, and expand investment in the dirtiest sources of oil on the planet. so, we have to have a reconciliation of the president's policy. if we are serious about a stable climate, and you have to cut emissions, you cannot grow new sources of dirty oil. york magazine," -- "the keystone fight is a huge -- make keystoneto the number 15? -- number one fight? gu

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what about the overall job numbers of the keystone xl? >> this has been an area that the opposition has made very misleading statements and plain out right lies. very simply, talk about the gulf coast portion of the keystone pipeline which we are just finishing building right now. we will employ another 9000 americans. we employ more in manufacturing the pipe, the pump, the control systems that are required for these projects. we can actually identify each and every one of those workers on our pipeline. those are hard and solid numbers. about atone xl alone is $5.5 billion project. it is crossing a number of states. these kind of projects really do produce a great number of jobs. are veryare paid, they high-paying jobs. most of these are union jobs and you can see the impact when you see the union partners and how hard they are pushing in d.c. and the administration for this to go through. how are you addressing the environmental concerns? it is different from other oil and the chemical mixture that you need in order to move it through pi

keystone xl along is about $5.5 billion project. crossing a number of states, these kind of projects really do produce a great number of jobs. you asked how they're paid. they are very high paying jobs. most of these jobs are union jobs. you can see the job impact when you see union partners how hard they're pushing in d.c. host: how are you addressing the environmental concern? we heard from callers today talking about how tar sand is different than other soil and the chemical mixture you need causes environmental risks to the land and the water around these pipelines. guest: once again, this is nothing but a misrepresentation. the department of state looked at this issue of is oilsands oil different from other oil exhaustively in the four environmental impact statements that very prepared on this project to date. i actually think the last word on this, our federal u.s. pipeline regulator, femsa actually engaged the u.s. academy of science. probably the most respected independent scientific body in the united states if not the worl

you mentioned the keystone pipeline. during the construction of the keystone pipeline, and i heard this in the senate and i watch the sun c-span, -- watched this on c-span. it would create 2500 jobs during the construction, but after the construction, only 45 jobs would exist after the construction. how would this help our economy, and does it not only benefit one group, corporate spending, corporate america? guest: ok. great questions. i know, and i have heard stories about iraq. i've only been here two and a half years, so i have dealt more with afghanistan. this point of at private contractors duplicating the missions that are going on right now with our troops in afghanistan. primarily, we have the army providing grounds to -- ground troop support to the afghan security forces that are in charge of the security operations. the air force is providing air support with airplanes, and that is mainly the missions now. we are doing training of afghan security forces. those are the main missions right now. as we said, they

the article argues that the massive export of coal unleashes more carbon emissions than the keystonepipeline would i mean that is appalling why is this the case so that's a proposal export proposal this is to ship coal from the powder river basin in wyoming and montana through montana through idaho. and into washington oregon and to ports on the west coast of oregon and washington to go to china japan india. and there are three terminals that have been proposed to be built and if they are built and they are operating at full capacity the amount of coal traveling through would be as much carbon pollution once it's burned as the keystone pipeline amazin your article also talks of the massive land grab and the environmental destruction that's already plague these areas a lab or on what you saw on the ground firsthand during your investigation sure so the powder river basin is a huge area of wyoming and montana and it holds about forty percent of the nation's coal reserves it's the largest single source contributor to climate change and most of that coal is federally owned so the departm

the article argues that the massive export of cool unleashes more carbon emissions than the keystonepipeline would i mean that is appalling why is this the case so that's a that's a proposal next proposal this is to ship coal from the powder river basin in wyoming and montana through montana through idaho. and into washington oregon and to ports on the west coast of oregon and washington to go to china japan india and there are three terminals that have been proposed to be built and if they are built and they are operating at full capacity the amount of coal traveling through would be as much carbon pollution once it's burned as the keystone pipeline amazin your article also talks of the massive land grab and the environmental destruction that's already plagued these areas a lab around what you saw on the ground firsthand during your investigation sure so the powder river basin is a huge area of wyoming and montana and it holds about forty percent of the nation's coal reserves it's the largest single source contributor to climate change and most of that coal is federally owned so the

the article argues that the massive export of cool unleashes more carbon emissions than the keystonepipeline would i mean that is appalling why is this the case so that's a that's a proposal next proposal this is to ship coal from the powder river basin in wyoming and montana through montana through idaho. and into washington oregon and to ports on the west coast of oregon and washington to go to china japan india and there are three terminals that have been proposed to be built and if they are built and they are operating at full capacity the amount of coal traveling through would be as much carbon pollution once it's burned as the keystone pipeline amazin your article also talks of the massive land grab and the environmental destruction that's already plague these areas a lab around what you saw on the ground firsthand during your investigation sure so the powder river basin is a huge area of wyoming and montana and it holds about forty percent of the nation's coal reserves it's the largest single source contributor to climate change and most of that coal is federally owned so the

the article argues that the massive export of coal unleashes more carbon emissions than the keystonepipeline would i mean that is appalling why is this the case so that's a that's a proposal next proposal this is to ship coal from the powder river basin in wyoming and montana through montana through idaho. and into washington oregon and to ports on the west coast of oregon and washington to go to china japan india. and there are three terminals that have been proposed to be built and if they are built and they are operating at full capacity the amount of coal traveling through would be as much carbon pollution once it's burned as the keystone pipeline amazin your article also talks of the massive land grab in the environmental destruction that's already leaked these areas a lab around what you saw on the ground firsthand during your investigation sure so the powder river basin is a huge area of wyoming and montana and it holds about forty percent of the nation's coal reserves it's the largest single source contributor to climate change and most of that coal is federally owned so the

. >> vladimir lenin he said socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state. >> obamacare is really i think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. [laughter] >> jon: it's okay that he's dishonest but it is sort of weird if that is the worst law nobody to maknown to man kind, f something's generally bad telling the truth is tough. 12 years of slaves doesn't mean that. [laughter] not to mention some at arguments against the affordable care act. >> the point is who should set minimum. a lot of people are saying why should somebody in washington tell me i needs to have these ten items in every plan, tennis seven benefits. it's like passing the law the only car you can buy is a fully loaded cadillac. what if you can only afford a honda. >> jon: so your point is why should the government said ten standards for healthcare when they don't said ten standards for cars. what? this is the federal standards for automobiles. [laughter] the reason is because the federal government sets at least 50 standard items that must be in either a cadillac or a h