betty: but keystone is just part of the problem. steyer says the bigger climate issue is how tar sand oil is ecovered from the canadian countryside. 20% is mixed in sandy soil lying just below the surface and is strip mined and spun in centrifuges to separate the oil from the dirt. the remaining 80% is trapped hundreds of feet below solid rock. steam is injected underground to loosen the oil and it is pumped out. the thick tarlike crude must be mixed with chemicals to make it flow through the pipeline. tar sands require 70% more energy to extract than traditional oil. steyer: this is a gigantic mining operation in the middle of nowhere. they want to take production by 2025, more than double it. betty: and your job is to make sure that never comes out of the ground? steyer: well, look, from my point of view -- i'm not a scientist. the scientists say it would be devastatingly terrible for the seven billion people on the earth if it does. betty: when we return, tom steyer looks outside the box for answers. steyer: i actually believe th

. >> i was the manager for 10 years at keystone.friends were always getting me, they were always like -- >> keystone dam has authorized hydropower, navigation, fish and wildlife, and navigation. >> a lot of our lakes [indiscernible] >> my perspective as one who has lived in flooding is we must move carefully and deliberately as we look at the prospect of trying to put water in the river. >> having more water in the river would have many positive impacts. many benefits are made possible through the water development act, which gives the u.s. department of engineers the authorization to work with communities to help manage projects having to do with the arkansas river. >> the first bill i will sign today is the water authorization act. it will put americans to work restoring some of our most vital ecosystems. bags this gives the corps of engineers the authority to look out for flood control for other things having to do with the waterways. i am an advocate because i look at the opportunities and tall so we are not doing. bags the curr

does this give keystone pipeline another chance?m, they were trying to get oil over to china but they can't get it there. maybe keystone will be the way? >> not just first nation or be a bore ridge niece. that are not just only opposed but environmentalists in canada opposed to it going through vancouver and british columbia. alberta, that prov governme assessment said it would have no contributing factor to green house gas emissions and global climate change, because that oil will still come out of the ground and transferred via trains. we have a pipeline already from canada down to oklahoma, to the gulf. it was second pipeline we would be doing. we're already doing this keystone will get built one day. david: i'm thinking if it doesn't go to china, go west to china, it has got to come here, right? this is good news for americans. >> right, i'm hoping that is the case. my concern this is sort of a bilateral agreement between canada and the united states and if canada is facing the same problems from their environmental movement as

let's not eat so concerned about keystone. good operator that inspects that doesn't have to worry. the keystone one pipeline had a dozen small leaks in its first couple years of operation. they shut down proactively for a little bit. environmentalists say how can we trust them to patrol this. this furthers the debate about who should be in charge. the question we often get is does it matter what's moving to the pipeline? host: are oilsands more corrosive than other kinds of oil or gas? guest: there is a study about that. they were using a very limited data pool, but they found that no it's not the case. this is what's happening all over the country right now. we are producing so much oil and pushing so much through older pipelines. host: jerry is waiting on the line for democrats. caller: how much of a driver in the except once of pipelines is the fact that revenue is derived to individuals and jurisdictions by the pipelines presence? host: how much is it generating for the towns that the pipeline is in it? i think we lost the

is affirming in your few that the keystone xl pipeline would lead statement? >> i view it not as a political statement. i view it as a scientific statement and that's supported by james hanson of nasa who says it can be game over for the climate. so this the a crucial opportunity to stop the extraction and i think it ties in very closely with the science behind climate change and it's our one opportunity to unite behind let's say no to the keystone xl pipeline and stop climate change. >> isn't florida the american canary in the coast line? isn't most of your state at sea level if water rises? >> we have a tremendous amount of low lying land especially in urbanize areas such as miami and fort lauderdale as well as the repercussions of stronger hurricanes and more extreme or flooding rains. >> jeff, do supervisors, do department chiefs take care not to put these kinds of rules into writing so they could say and have plausible deniability and say we're not -- we don't suppress good science. we want to see the data. but when you got a governor like rick scott of f

for instance the keystone pipeline. some of these trade deals. and in that void you'll have reports like the ones that are coming out in this book that essentially connect the dots for the readers the way that the author wants to connect the dots. some of those dot connections may be legitimate. some may be overstated. but for instance, until we get a full understanding of where secretary clinton comes down on the keystone pipeline one will be able to say oh well this group that has a vested financial interest in that pipeline gave this amount of money to the clinton foundation. is that a conflict of interest? and so my main thinking here is that secretary clinton needs to maybe be a bit more open on where she comes down on these controversial policies and that will essentially push off this stuff off the back burner. >> hold on though sam, i think that's unfair. because we've been very clear. this is sort of a ramp-up process. the idea here, she wanted to get out and talk to people. she has a lot of ideas. and frankly, it was interesting watchin

there entry focused on the -- there entry -- their entry focused on the keystone pipeline. >> we owed transcanada absolutely nothing. [applause] for the sake of all america i asked you respectfully tonight's permit. >> keystone xl will impact the entire nation. however, the people they call the great plains home will be the ones to experience the risks and rewards to the full extent. it will be an underground pipe that will lead crude oil from alberta through the u.s. states of montana, south dakota, nebraska, kansas, and oklahoma to oil refineries in texas. unfortunately, many people from our region fear the pipes ' environmental impacts. >> i do not believe the people would understand or comprehend how devastating it would be to the aquifer it it was contaminated by the keystone xl pipeline, if it was leaking. >> we feel are legitimate concerns about the sandhills and our aquifer have gone unrecognized. >> we are going to do everything within our powers to protect our homeland and children and grandchildren. most of all, people do not understand the aquifer is the second biggest wat

some of the oil you would hope to transport with the keystone pipeline.o the company leading the group that wants to build the lng terminal the terminus for another pipeline you proposed building. russ: those are both correct and i think their investments in unconventional resources and the canadian oil sands are a long-term investment. companies like shell have made -- they see the long-term value in those and they continue to press those projects forward. they will look for opportunities in the current environment to do them. at the end of the day, those are robust opportunities that look very good in terms of global opportunities. as you think of places around the world that have access to oil and gas that can be put on the market, canada is an attractive place for that kind of investment. those places that will be short and where you want to place that reduction certainly places like asia pacific and europe come are going to be importers for a long time to come in the spellings will continue to grow. -- that's why we are seeing companies like shell an

xl is out in the news, but it's not just keystone xl. it is so much more going between borders of the north and south. can you elaborate more on how we achieve how you and i agree is critical not only to the united states, but to our partners, mexico, and canada as well. how do we get there? right now, we can't even get moving with a simple swap between canada -- excuse me, between united states and mexico for our heavy -- for their -- for our light for their heavy. >> well i think that -- first of all this sounds like a very you know vanilla answer, but i think one of the issues is we need to start a stronger dialogue with both countries than we have had. i was shocked, frankly -- >> when you say start, we assume we had the dialogue. >> okay start was not quite the right word, but i was trying to give the impression it's been nowhere near as robust as it should be. >> i agree. >> frankly, i was shocked going to ottawa last year apparently the first time the secretary of energy had been to canada in well over a decade. which was kind of

so badly that we didn't even know what was coming from. >> reporter: harper rush the dog to keystonergency veterinary hospital in havertown the vet on call working for more than six hours under dire circumstances to stop the bleeding and patch up this poor pooch. >> dr. collins absolutely saved his life. he was shot here, it went through and out here. he was of course shot in the right leg that we have bandaged now this entire foot is shattered will need to be plated not pinned. >> reporter: amazely after a few days the pup affectionately named frank after st. francis the patron saint of animals is cup and walk aig round and giving lots of kisses. >> this dog really has a will to live. he still has a long road to go but he is remarkable. he's a miracle. >> reporter: lead needless to say frank winning over the hearts of everyone here at keystone. this guy getting lots of tlc now now. >> a lot more than you could possibly know. any time we have the chance, he's out and about just trying to give him love working with him. >> reporter: frank has a number of costly surgeries to go before

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i have helped lead the effort against the keystone pipeline because i do not think we should be transportingome of the dirtiest fuel in the world and we got a be vigorous and terms of transforming our energy system. so those are some of my views. and we'll see where secretary clinton comes out. mark: iraq war, keystone pipeline, and trade -- two of the three that hillary clinton has not taken positions yet. in a press conference he took a pass on criticizing the clinton family foundation. but earlier in an interview with jonathan karl of abc's news he said "do i have concerns about the clinton foundation and that money? id o do." how potent will be negative frames that sanders will drive going to be against hillary clinton? al: these have great potential. she has said she was wrong on the iraq war vote in 2003. but she is much more of an intervention is that her husband or certainly been arnie sanders. let's not forget libya. on trade, the overwhelming majority of congressional democrats will vote against the transpacific trade pact. big money in politics p i think that is a problem for hill

when to call the doctor when to go to the emergency room or when to call the 24-hour hotline. >> keystone first says pediatric er visits have dropped 25% in the first year of the program. that means member insurance costs also went down. >>> from our delaware bureau chefs served up a great dish. the event helped meals on wheels bring meals to thousands of home bound citizens. delaware native tim furlong emceed the event. >> why does that not shock me tim near food. >>> a two-mile hiking trail opens today. it will connect phoenixville to the schuylkill river trail, a 26 mile path that stretches all the way to philadelphia. officials say the trail serves as a recreation and transportation path that connects the local community to its neighboring towns. when it's finished the schuylkill river trail will travel 130 miles along the river from potsville to the city. a ribbon cutting ceremony is scheduled for 4:00 today in phoenixville. >>> public hearings on septa's 2016 budget begin this week. septa is holding two public hearings in each of the five counties where the transit service operates.

. >> how does she feel about the keystone pipeline? >> that i don't know. that's probably number ten. >> you said a second ago she knew where she stood on trade. do you know where she stands on this deal or not? >> i don't know where she stands on that particular deal. i do not. >> whoops. maybe that's a problem. but where does she stand on the pipeline mr. bolling? >> i don't know where she stands on the pipeline. but i'm guessing -- >> i think these pro-pipeline because they sent the department of state was told to do an assessment of the keystone pipeline. i think they came back with it wasn't going to have a huge environmental effect. under her state department, she would be in agreement with the keystone pipeline. but this guy wasn't asked about gay marriage or wall street reform. those are two things and she actually has changed on these two. >> equipment coach, what do you say? >> i don't blame this guy. nobody knows what -- she says nothing on foreign policy she was secretary of state, that's like being chef boyardee. you're right, though about gay

fox 29's dawn timmeney is live in havertown outside the keystone veterinary emergency hospital. dawn how is the little guy doing right now? >> reporter: lucy arc mazingly well. it really is hard to imagine someone doing something like this but now this eight month old puppy has a whole lot of people on his side. it's all uphill from here. >> right here he got shot here. >> reporter: this suite and docile dog cheating death found on the streets of chester shot four times bleeding and barely alive. >> he was completely covered in blood. so badly that we didn't even know what where it was coming from. >> reporter: humane officer russell harper of justice rescue getting the drama chester police on thursday. rushing the dog here to keystone veterinary emergency hospital in havertown. it was touch and go. the vet working for six hours to save the pup. >> it's definitely hard to see and hard to hear, um it's -- shocking. you question a lot when you see something like this. >> dr. collins absolutely saved his life. >> reporter: amazing al few days after live-saving surgery this affectio

obviously keystone xl is something that is out there in the news but it's not just keystone xl. it is so much more that we have going between our borders to the north and to the south. can you elaborate just a little bit more on how we really achieve what i think you and i would agree is critical not only to the united states but to our partners, mexico and canada as well? how do we get there? because right now we can't even get moving with a simple swap between canada -- excuse me, between the united states and mexico for our heavy -- for their -- for our light for their heavy. >> right. well, i think, first of all, this may sound like a very, you know vanilla answer, but i think one of the issues is we need to start a much stronger dialogue with both countries than we have had. in fact, i was kind of shocked, frankly, when i -- >> when you say start, we've all assumed that we've been having these dialogues. >> okay maybe start was not quite the right word but i was trying to give you the impression that it's been nowhere near as robust as it should be. >> i would agree. >> fra

their entry focused on the keystone xl pipeline. >> we owed transcanada absolutely nothing. for the sake of all-america, i ask you to respectfully president obama, deny this permit. >> keystone xl will impact the entire nation. however, the people that call the great plains region home will be the ones to experience the risks and rewards to the fullest extent. it will be an underground pipe that will bring crude oil from the tar sands in alberta to the u.s. states of montana, south dakota, nebraska, kansas, and oklahoma. two oil refineries in texas. unfortunately, many people from our region fear the pipes environmental impact. >> i don't believe that people would understand or comprehend how devastating it would be to the ogallala aquifer if it was contaminated by the keystone xl pipeline if it was leaking and >> we feel are legitimate concerns are about the sand hills and are great ogallala aquifer have gone unrecognized. >> were going to do everything within our powers to protect our homelands, our people, and our children and grandchildren. most of all, people don't unde

mike: would the keystone pipeline be a disaster for the climate? administrator mccarthy: no i don't think anyone issue is a disaster to the climate nor is there any one solution. everything has to be looked at in a way that continues to advance our interests of moving toward a low carbon can take and -- a low carbon future. that makes us more jobs and more competitive. mike: thank you for sticking with us. you can live tweet your questions to playlist lunch. >> the epa climate rules for power plants are a large part of the u.s. is going to u.n. climate negotiations with. i would like to circle back on whether or not you are talking about what to do if the appeals court holds up your power plant rule before you issue a rule. is there some other thing you can take? administrator mccarthy: we certainly don't expect that to happen. i don't need a plan b if i am solid in my plan a. we know how to do regulation under the clean air act. we have been doing it for 40 years. i know what happened in the 1990 amendments. i know what we're supposed to do. we wi

he had this to say about keystone. >> i forgot to mention. i'm totally for the keystone. talk about american energy security. i think the proper way to look at this is north american energy security. >> and of course jeb bush has taken the position on climate change that there is no proof that man has caused climate change although 97% of scientists disagree with them. christopher, what about this? this is the mind-set you are up against. >> i think that comment is just one more signifier that the coke republican party has become really a wholly subsidiary of the coke brothers. they're going to continue to double down on their oil position continue to say that they won't respect our listen to the opinions of the science of 97% of the world's scientists. i thought it was pretty interesting that governor bush talked about north american security. the keystone pipeline is going to create money for a multinational corporation that is based in canada. it is going to send the oil oversees. it is only going to add to the pollution in the air and everyone by the canadian oil comp

there entry focused on the keystone pipeline. >> we owed transcanada absolutely nothing.or the sake of all america i asked you respective -- respectfully, tonight's permit. >> keystone xl will impact the entire nation. however, the people they call the great plains home will be the ones to experience the risks and rewards to the full extent. it will be an underground pipe that will go through montana, south dakota, nebraska, kansas, and oklahoma to oil refineries in texas. unfortunately, many people from our region fear the pipes environmental impacts. >> i do not believe the people would understand or comprehend how devastating it would be to the aquifer it was contaminated by the pipeline. >> we feel are legitimate concerns about the sandhills and our aquifer have gone unrecognized. >> we are going to do everything within our powers to protect our homeland and children and grandchildren. most of all, people do not understand the aquifer is destructive. the biggest water aquifer in the world. >> this is genocide. the american people should not have to choose between jobs

an application for the keystone pipeline was filed with the state department in 2008. and still no, no clear answer, this despite multiple environmental reviews by the state department. so the white house ordered the state department to further review whether keystone is in the national interest. you probably thought that decision about the national interest rightly belongs with the president not that president, this administration appeared set on giving our adversaries everything they want while ignores the consequences of a piecement and -- appeasement and telling our allies to go to hell, mr. be mr. obama legacy it in clear site. they are just up see down. >> our quotation of the evening on new world orders and fundamental transformations if you will, and this one from talbott, president of the brookings institute who worked for president clinton and his administration said in the next century, nation as we know it will be obsolete, all states will recognize a single global authority, national sovereignty was not just a great idea after all. >> we'll keep you posted

every time you guys want to push the keystone pipeline, you guys neglect to say that the koch brothers own 1,500,000 acres of tar sands in canada. just off the table. i do not know how you answer that question. not only that, the koch brothers will give you $900 million to the republican party and $1 billion for your nominee, when there is one nominee. i do not know how you will answer it, but i was a on the line and listen. guest: i do not know what parties have what interests in the energy sector or what democrats have interest using trains to haul energy rather than pipelines. we want north american energy independence. that oil to come from canada and saudi arabia. if you are an environmentalist listen, i know that canada has invested billions of dollars. if we do not build a tech -- a pipeline they are still taking it out of the ground. with happen regardless what we do. the question becomes, how will you transport it? train or truck is more dangerous or you can use a pipeline that uses less carbon and is safer. i say let's build a safe route by building the energy into our americ

who says we'll stand with our friend and ally the nation of canada and we will finally build the keystone pipeline. instead of a president who boycotts prime minister netanyahu. and the single greatest national security threat facing america today is the threat of a nuclear iran. this deal the president is pushing forward is a terrible deal. it is an historic mistake. and any candidate for president who is fit to be commander in chief must be prepared in january 2017 to repudiate any deal that undermines america national security. it is utterly unacceptable and profoundly dangerous for a nation whose leaders lead the people in chants of "death to america" and by the way, that's an actual holiday inn iraneye iran. there every year they celebrate death to america day. it's an anniversary and the supreme leader goes out in huddled masses and together they chant "death to america." if history teaches any principal, it is that if somebody tells you they want to kill you, believe them. you know, a few weeks ago i was proud to join with 46 other senators signing a letter to the nation of iran. o

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says, we will stand with our friend and ally, the nation of canada, and we will finally build the keystone pipeline. [applause] senator cruz: instead of a president who boycotts prime minister netanyahu, imagine america standing unapologetically alongside the nation of israel. [applause] senator cruz: and the single greatest national security threat facing america today is the threat of a nuclear iran. this deal the president is pushing forward is a terrible deal. it is a historic mistake. and any candidate for president who is fit to be commander in chief must be prepared in 2017 to repudiate any deal that undermines american national security. [applause] senator cruz: it is unacceptable and profoundly dangerous for a nation whose leaders lead the people in chants of "death of america." by the way, that is a holiday in iran. we have christmas and thanksgiving. there every year they celebrate death to america today. it is the anniversary of iran taking americans hostage. the supreme leader does out to the masses and together they ch ant death to america. if history teaches any principle, i

stephanie: the keystone?resting to see if it -- if we take land from american farmers so a canadian oil company can make profits. stephanie: we will discuss that and a whole lot more. matt: useless cynicism. jpmorgan has racked up more than $36 billion in legal bills. now it's looking to bring computers and to help patch and stop these problems before they happen. minority report style. ♪ matt: this is "in the loop." jpmorgan is the biggest bank on wall street by assets and also has the biggest legal bills since the recession. $36 billion is how much it has paid out for his legal woes. now, it's looking to stop this blood loss by bringing in machines to help prevent rigging and rogue traders. will machines be enough to curb stray employees? a new algorithm that companies come up with. what is the story? >> companies have tons and tons of data. everything from your e-mail to your chats to whether or not you do your compliance classes. before today they did not have a way to look at everything holistically. the

one government, canada's, continues to lobby for the keystone oil pipeline. >> this is a great way for those donors to ingratiate themselves with candidate clinton and possibly president clinton. >> her family's foundation accepted tens of millions of dollars from saudi arabia and other foreign governments that have a record of suppressing women's rights. one donation from a algeria was not disclosed properly, and violated an administration ethics agreement. republican presidential candidates including kentucky senator, rand rand, have been relentless. >> it reminds me of people using the system to enrich themselves and it look unseemly, and i think that a lot of americans agree with me. >> early next month a controversial book is being published. cash has been given and clinton foundation donors received timely favors from hilliary clinton's state department. some of the examples include a foundation donor who benefited from a free trade agreement with columbia. another donor from canada, invested in the keystone pipeline gave bill clinton $1 million while the project was being debate

donations from six foreign governments, one government canada's continues to lobby for the controversial keystoneoil pipeline. >> this is a great way for those donors to ingratiate themselves with candidate clinton and perhaps ultimately president clinton. >> reporter: hillary clinton was secretary of state her family foundation accepted tens of millions of dollars from saudi arabia and other foreign governments that have a record of suppressing women's rights. one donation from algeria was not disclosed properly and by the foundation's own admission violated an obama administration ethics agreement, republican presidential candidates including kentucky senator rand paul have been relentless. >> reminds me of people using the system to enrich themselves and looks unseemly and a lot of americans will agree with me. >> reporter: early next move an investigative book is published about the clintons e ex excerpts from the book reviewed so far there is no evidence mrs. clinton was influenced by the payments or that she broke any laws. and top clinton defenders have taken to the air waves to blast the

it's not just the fight against the keystone xl pipeline.his time residents are battling to protect their precious natural resource of clean water. an out of state company trex wants to export its toxic fracking waste water into the county. now, the company wants to dump 10,000 barrels of pollution into a disposal well in sioux county every single day. once again, big oil is transferring all of the risk on to nebraska's farmers and ranchers. they are not taking it sitting down. a video recorded at a gas and oil and conservation committee hearing has been spreading around the internet like wildfire. here's james osborne, nebraska landowner, visibly describing what fracking can do to waste water. >> i know you guys would each want to drink that so what i brought and my question is would you drink it? it's not mixed up real well. >> late last night, the bureau of land management unveiled new nationwide re nationwide restrictions for native american lands. not all states are on board. north dakota is joining the state of nebraska. joining me ton

there was money that the clintons got from a board member in the keystone xl pipeline. state department was looking at that and writing a report at the time. >> she said nice things and somebody else made the deal. >> it would not be surprising she was against the keystone pipeline. that doesn't fall into her wheel house. if she is doing something outside you expect and also getting money into the family. you start to really look at these things. >> two other questions that aren't speculative. number one she is running on it seems income inequality when she is as i pointed out dr. goolsbee making all her money at the top 1%. giving speeches for six figures, you know and bill clinton. huge money. >> right. >> as she is secretary of state. his fees went up. his lecture fees went up dramatically. as soon as she left, they went back down again. so does this hurt her? it's interesting. she tries to paint herself as every person. $100 million. ceos made that kind of money. washington examiner who makes more ce. >> or miller? they're both beyond wildly wealthy. it's when she t

clinton by a canadian bank, and major shareholders in the keystone, x.l. pipeline. so to speak to andrea's point and one that i would make too, it isn't just coupling the dollars with the foundation and where they came from. it's the timing that will matter in all of this. and if they do what guy says if they can prove in actuality between the cause of the cash going in and the results of some benefit coming out, then it's going to be a continuing problem for her because it's not just about her. it's wider. it's about the obama administration, too. >> right. and i want to talk about the obama administration kennedy, because we saw this with the email scandal, that sort of double speak coming out of the white house. general petraeus was charged for very similar offenses as hillary clinton should have been charged in the email scandal. now we see a very similar thing happen with democrat from new jersey who did very similar things. however, menendez was helping out his constituent. she on the other hand could have been helping out foreign governments. it's even worse

one involves the keystone pipeline, and while the state department was reviewing keystone canadian backers clinton foundation. to be fair here kerry was the secretary of the state department at the time and the state department rules in favor of the pipeline. you got to think that hillary had some pull out of office. how do you react to something like that? >> well, it sure looks ugly. i mean there's no real proof of a kind of quid pro quo here. gerri: what do you want? a smoking gun? come on! i'm astonished at the reaction to this book so far because this is so serious and just the simple fact of the contributions to me is bad. >> i agree with you. i agree. i think that the problem is that it looks like what hillary was running is the kind of classic cash in-cash out system where the state department was up for sale. and when you look at connection of the kinds of aid that these companies were getting in terms of the foreign aid programs, they were getting basically an in in the state department, and look, i don't think anybody believes that the foreign governments and companies were givi