wills, as kezia said, it government. wills, as kezia said. it was _ government.s commissioned l government. wills, as kezial said, it was commissioned by the previous government and published by the labour government. there was a suggestion... is the interpretation and legal one or is it political? i interpretation and legal one or is it political?— is it political? i think you can see _ is it political? i think you can see it _ is it political? i think you can see it both _ is it political? i think you can see it both ways. - is it political? i think you | can see it both ways. this obvious_ can see it both ways. this obvious concern with the civilian _ obvious concern with the civilian deaths, that keep building every in gaza, and on this side — building every in gaza, and on this side of the atlantic, the response _ this side of the atlantic, the response to this is quite muted, _ response to this is quite muted, surprisingly muted, considering the tide that is turning _ considering the tide that is turning against net yahoo, and the us— turning against net ya

kezia did it, did it rabble rouse you? celtic passion in their , honestly, what i was in their, honestly, what i was saying is this what year is this? because i thought it was something from like 1971 or something, the wig , i don't something, the wig, i don't know, whatever it was, i think the wig dated back to, you know , the wig dated back to, you know, good for her. you know, i'm not really bothered about this kind of stuff. sorry. >> well, yeah, but gender affirming healthcare , gender affirming healthcare, gender affirming healthcare, gender affirming healthcare, gender affirming healthcare sounds nice, but really, it's the equivalent of, you know, if somebody turns up with a different kind of dysphoria , different kind of dysphoria, like anorexia, body dysphoria, for example. an affirming treatment for them would be to agree with them that they're fat and deny them cakes. >> yeah, i know, you're right. snip, snip. bob's your auntie. you work on that sort of basis. i think the reality is this it's all about respect.

kezia, i'll start with you.t of people because she is the wife of a tory counsellor. i think in northampton sure if i'm not wrong. you want to talk about the tweet she sent it whether it breached x's rules. i the tweet she sent it whether it breached x's rules.- it breached x's rules. i know ou like it breached x's rules. i know you like positive, _ it breached x's rules. i know you like positive, upbeat - you like positive, upbeat stories for your programme but i thought i'd remind us of the riots in britain. ifind it such an interesting story because this is an example of the woman who is charged with the woman who is charged with the hater pled guilty to it for the hater pled guilty to it for the things that she said. she said that hotels full of migrants should be burnt to the ground, satellite and she dues should be at mass deportation of migrants with that was enough to be charged and convicted of hatred but it wasn't enough to break axes rules which is a stark example we yet of how wildly x controls socia

kezia scales is an expert on the direct care workforce for phi, a research institution focused on improving elder care and disability services. workforce projections suggest that we're going to need nearly a million new workers to meet demand in our culture. is there this idea that if it's your family member, you should take care of your own family? this responsibility doesn't really fall on taxpayers, family caregivers provide the lion's share of long term care, long term supports, but families cannot do it all. some some individuals don't have families close by. there is also a role for for public policy to to meet needs that are not already met by family caregivers. sally hawk's children live out of state, so she feels lucky to have joan in her life. you have children, but why is it important to still have joan every day? because they're not here. i'm by myself. i wouldn't have any way to get groceries or anything. i feel like i'm a burden to her sometimes because i need her so much. i'm a proud person for matter of fact, i'm dan lieberman in wilmington, north carolina next on matter of

joining me tonight on the panel, the former leader of scottish labour, kezia dugdale, and wills robinson

our panel tonight — kezia dugdale, leader of the scottish labour party between 2015 and 2017.onor burns, who was a trade and northern ireland minister under boris johnson and liz truss. nick was outside the meeting of labour mps who heard from the chancellor a few hours ago. and barry gardiner�*s here with us to talk about the winter fuel payment vote. he's labour mp for brent west. and how's he going to vote. nick, mps being encouraged to hold the line. are they? i had to say it looked like a bit of a political operation in that meeting with some very nervous —looking downing street aides and then the chancellor marched into the committee room smiling and looking confident and holding a can of coke and delivered this strong message, we stand, we lead and we govern together. but i understand there was a very heavy message delivered by sir alan campbell who is the chief whip and he essentially said that new labour mps need to vote with the government, you know the consequences if you don't and both against them, that you lose the web but then some labour mps heard him speak it