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joining me live from fife in scotland, kezia dugdale, former leader of the scottish labour party, androm washington, bryan lanza, republican strategist and former director of communications in donald trump's transition team. looking at these developments in ukraine, this counteroffensive is something that has been anticipated for a while now. keep has been quick to talk about successes, but brian, these are small villages that they are talking about retaking. m0 are talking about retaking. no listen, they had many big achievements ahead of them that they need to— achievements ahead of them that they need to head for this counteroffensive to be viewed as a success _ counteroffensive to be viewed as a success as — counteroffensive to be viewed as a success. as we walk into the political _ success. as we walk into the political season there is going to be more — political season there is going to be more conversations about the us as a role _ be more conversations about the us as a role in— be more conversations about the us as a role in kyviv and if the counteroffensive isn't as success