there's no secret to the kgb. they say we need your capacity and we need u to do this or that. >> charlie: same thing true in china. >> it's organized in a slightly different fashion. so you have basically e kgb responsibility, fsb responsibility in russia. the people's liberation in china and they have this more informal thing whereby they actually pay a lot of computer users to actually the main activity is to refute arguments made about chinwhich the leadership disagrees with around the net. within that large army they have an elite core of hackers. what they concentrate on of course is the second pillar of malfeasance. >> charlie: they make a lot of money. >> that's right. >> charlie: which brings me to the third which is cyber warfare. leon pinetta when he was seeking confirmation and got a unanimous vote for secretary of defense, he said in his intair gairgs at the senate committee that was looking into his confirmation that if there was a pearl harbor, it would be cyber warfare. that's like the fifth dimens

but but what that man is a product of the kgb. -- >> that man is a product of the kgb. he is an enemy of pakistan. but incident took place in 2006. it was the cia. they were photographed in vehicles. one of the vehicles had two people and they thought that this was osama bin laden. we caught the two people that were there and it was not osama bin laden and the cia knew that. >> that was the former pakistani president pervez musharraf talking to my colleague there. bracing for a 7 billion, as the planet it's ready to mark the milestone, we will look at how china is pared to cope. gunmen in northeastern kenya have killed four people and then attack near the border of somalia. this is the fourth attack linked to a militant group. >> there is a sense of dread on the streets of nairobi, a city braced for trouble. already this week, two grenade attacks. the authorities are struggling to reassure the public and foreign tourists. >> we have enough men, we have enough capacity. >> here is why that they might be in danger. the army has to stormed across the border into somalia. t

. >> the kgb confiscated 20 computers and put huge pressure of my colleagues. i lost two teams because people were afraid to come to work. the scattered when the police beat me up. >> hear the kgb museum in vilnius, she recalls the events of december 19, 2010 in the belarusian capital of minsk where her involvement in protest against election fraud are her of being and imprisonment. >> i cannot take it. they took me to a place just like this. the cell was similar. the beds, too. but there were so many of us that had to lie on the floor. it was awful. there are still innocent in people in jail there in minsk. one was given five years. >> minsk, where the dictator alexander lukashenko still ruled with an iron fist. natalia cher herself with irina chalip. her release is tainted with sadness. >> there was suddenly this awful certainty that natalia and the others were gone, either free or in jail, and i was left on my own. of course i am happy she is now and safety. >> her mother regularly brought her favorite cake while in jail. she also assisted her flight out of

used to be head of the kgb and bringing back kgb and all semblance of democracy is gone now.to get away. a dale cut early on. you know, now you have this guy back and i guarantee you the courts will go away, there will be fewer and fewer rights in that country. one of the great strategies of all time. i remember george bush said i looked in that guy's soul and saw a good man. looked in eye of dracula. >> greg: big happy birthday to fox news channel. 15 years ago today it launched to rise massively successful cable news power house. >> kimberly: happy birthday. >> greg: while others laughed. >> kimberly: who is laughing now? >> bob: all right! >> kimberly: i knew you had to have some. >> greg: give us a heart attack. >> bob: surprised he didn't have anti-obama signs on it. >> kimberly: c'mon. >> bob: say this about "the five." i know history of programming cost of fox news. they couldn't give this station away in the beginning. in some cases they almost had to pay cable operators to take it. now we get three, four times more than anybody else does for good reason. combined fox

there are run by the secret police some of the more well-known kgb and run by the institutions being the head of the camp might have been a position somebody would have as a stepping stone to something better the there was tremendous danger if there are too many escapes you could wind up arrested yourself. one commander was arrested december 1938 and executed for all allowing too many escapes' or discipline and it is a frightening position to be in. but if you go down one more level like the employees employees, not a position most people want to have if it is 40 below it is 40 below even if you are a guard you are still outside in the weather and the face the possibility of criminal prosecution if one of them escapes so they had to provide tremendous inducement to have a salary boost and we will let you choose your next position as a you can return to your home. they often turn demobilized soldiers to the soviet union iran have the fried choice sometimes they told you this was your job and you said yes, sir, and tried to keep your head low and not be noticed. >> host: when did the g

he is a person who is a product of the kgb. he is totally pro-india. no. an incident took place in 2006. i know that. it was the cia. they were photographed in a vehicle, a jeep, and they thought one of the people was osama bin laden. we caught the people and it was not osama bin laden. the cia was wrong. >> the former president of pakistan speaking to my colleague. as you heard, he denied the allegation made in a bbc documentary which we aired a portion of last night. also weighing in was a general attar abbas from the pakistan army. he rejected the idea that some parts of the isi train terrorists. >> officers have been killed by terrorist attacks by al qaeda. putting the blame on isi without verification or non sources is incredible. i think the report speaks for itself. >> you are denying any trading of al qaeda. >> absolutely. there is no question. >> the general is a spokesman for the pakistani army. still to come on tonight's program, bracing for 7 billion. as the planet gets ready to mark the milestone, we look at how china is prepared to cope. gunm

cables that had passed between washington and new york and other kbb--kgb stations to moscow. c-span: this just happened in the last couple of years? >> guest: well, the--the release of these documents... c-span: that's what i mean. >> guest: yeah--came--comes in 1995, is when these had been made public, and what was known to security office for a long--officers for a long time is now known to historians and to--and to the general public, and that is is that currie was among the most active of these recruited soviet agents here. c-span: what about john service? >> guest: john service... c-span: john stewart service. >> guest: ... was one of the brightest of the so-called 'china hands.' he was a principle target of mccarthy's accusations about members of the truman administration in the state department being, if not actually communists, then being sympathetic and secretly sympathetic to the communist cause and giving, for that reason, bad advice that would guarantee the victory for mao's communists as opposed to--a--and the defeat of the chiang kai-shek's nationalists--and he

these variety of acronym names that it had, but, of course, all these forerunners, more well known kgb. they were run by these institutions. being the head of an individual camp might have been a position that somebody would have wanted, at least as a steppingstone to something better within the camp system. but there was of course tremendous danger of being involved in any of this. if the argument escapes from the camp that you run you could wind up arrested yourself. the commander in the 1930s as a rest in december 1938 and is executed for allowing too many escapes, and for a decline in discipline among the laborers. i mean, it's a frightening position to be in. but if you go down one more level and you look at the employees like the armed guards, not a position of the most people would want to have. when it's 40 below out, it's 40 below out even if you're a card and your dress a lot better than a prisoner. but you are still outside in this kind of weather. and again, he faced the possibility of criminal prosecution if one of their prisoners escape on you. so they have to provide tre

important but they were run by the soviet police and the variety of acronym names of the well known kgbrun by these institutions to be the head of the camp may have been a position that somebody want to have as a stepping stone to something better but there was tremendous danger if there was too many escapes you could end up arrested yourself. one commander was arrested december 1930a and executed for allowing too many escapes for a decline in discipline and it is a frightening position to be in and did you go down much more level like the armed guards not a position most people want to have. when it is 40 below it is 40 below even if you are a guard but you are still outside and you face criminal prosecution. they had to provide tremendous inducements are you work here two years and you can choose your next position to return to your home. they would demobilize use red army soldiers to work in a gulag camps and in the soviet union you groovy had true free choice sosa sometimes you did it to lower you try not to be noticed. >> landesk the crew loved system collapse? to make it is in the

and the intelligence agency, kgb, raw and khad of afghanistan a boy spend and corporations and talkingsince the 1950s. so he must not allow this to continue because then one must not grudge if pakistan orders isi to take countermeasure to protect its own interest. so i think this needs rapprochement certainly between india and pakistan and rapprochement also between the two intelligence organizations, the raw of india and the isi of pakistan. because they have been on a confrontational course all through since 1950s, harming each other. so this is i would say, and if i'm also allowed to -- one rather minor but still becoming very significant -- wind leadership from the united states or anywhere, say pakistan, has not done enough. we need to do more. now this has become almost so annoying to a common man in pakistan. we have suffered 35,000 dead, 3000 soldiers killed, 350 isi people killed, generals killed, generals children killed. what more should pakistan do? yes indeed we are doing our best. we are the first victims of terrorism and extremism. at least don't keep saying that we need

and the intelligence agency, kgb, raw and khad of afghanistan have always been in cooperation and talkingince the 1950s. so we must not allow this to continue because then one must not grudge if pakistan orders isi to take countermeasures to protect its own interests. so i think this needs a rapprochement certainly between india and pakistan and rapprochement also between the two intelligence organizations, the raw and isi of pakistan. because they have been on a confrontational course all through since the 1950s, harming each other. so this is, i would say and if i'm also allowed, one rather minor but still the coming very significant, wind leadership from the united states or anywhere says pakistan has not been enough, we need to do more. now, this has become almost so annoying to a common man in pakistan. we have suffered 35,000 dead, 3000 soldiers killed, 350 isi people killed, generals killed, generals children's killed. what more should pakistan do? we are doing our best. we are the first victims of terrorism and extremism. at least don't keep saying that we need to do more. yes, we

the intelligence and the kgb in afghanistan have always been in cooperation. and they should be. we must not allow this to continue. one must not grudge if isi orders counter measures to protect its own interests. the two intelligence agencies have been on a conflict course since 1960. if i am allowed -- when the leadership from the united states or anywhere says pakistan has not done enough and we need to do more, this is annoying to a common man in pakistan. we have suffered 35,000 dead. 350 isi people killed. generals killed. general's children killed. what more should pakistan to? we are doing our best. that we needying to do more. we must counter all of these problems. lastly, let me come to pakistan itself. today, pakistan is suffering a dysfunctional government. there is a situation in the right cheek. there is an economic collapse in pakistan. there are also floods. pakistan is in bad shape. my dismay is that pakistan has the resources and the potential to stand on its own feet. in the 8 years that i government, all of the socio- economic factors were going up. yearning t