the kgb. >> him who tells the story of going down to the local representation of the kgb and saying i'dby the person behind the desk you should go off and get an education and even giving him some advice about what he should perceive in university. >> he grew up and by his own account was a juvenile delinquent in the court yard before he got into martial arts training. before he dedicated himself to become a member of the kgb. so he turned his own life around, but clearly that early childhood experience on the streets of lennongrad was influential. >> putin was actually brought into the kgb in that period specifically to bring in new blood out of the normal recruitment patterns for the kgb to help with suppressing the dissident movement. it was also a period that was the height of the cold war where the kgb was trying to tackle the cia and other western intelligence agencies and to try to steal technical secrets. >> extremely loyal, some say to a fault, putin once said he would not read a book by a russian defector because he doesn't read anything written by traitors to the motherland.

putin was a product of the kgb. how is that influencing his leadership and how he looks at what he thinks are threats? >> well, it's true at some point when i was the number two man in leningrad's st. petersburg office, putin was one of the officers i supervised. i barely remember him, but he would pop up on later on when he just came back from east germany. he had no real job, and he was picked up by the former mayor of st. petersburg. a russian reform guy and reform-minded, and it was who i knew pretty well approached me and asked me if i could name someone for the kgb to use as a contact man with the kgb office. i mentioned a couple, and he said no, no, they are too highly placed. i need someone lower ranking, and then he picked up himself the guy who was one of his students at the law school of the leningrad university, and that was putin. ever since putin proved to be a very efficient guy. he was actually helpful in resolving some of the economic issues on the leningrad regional level, and he was just noticed b

putin years ago when i was first deputy chief of the leningrad kgb office.e was one of the officers who i met just casually. i never talked to him. but, later, well, putin proved to be a man who makes good relationships with the right people. actually, at some point after his brief service in east germany when he came back to st. petersburg, he had no job. and the former mayor of st. petersburg, one of the former leaders of russia just he picked him up as a former student. and in that new position and an assistant to the mayor of st. petersburg. putin proved to be very useful. and even people in the kremlin administration and president yeltsin said how come in leningrad they have better lives than in moscow, and he said well, i have a very good assistant. so that assistant, mr. putin, was invited to moscow and became deputy chief of the business administration. from that moment on he would start reforms in his own way. and this is part of his character in that sense, russia is lucky. well, in a political sense it is a different story. but as a man who has en

the cia, excuse me the kgb in this series is desperate. at the are desperate because ronald reagan has a vision for doing in the evil empire. it takes the prism and turns it upside down and you are now looking at the desperation of two kgb officers living right here in washington, d.c. under cover. the best part of it is, i have met a lot of kgb officers. none of them are as pretty as kerry russell. >> i will keep that in mind. the war stories is still a huge hit and i love the war stories. that's a whole another genre. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> straight ahead, part of your salary is not enough. the tax man now wants to take more from you, he has a new way. how? that's coming up. plus, you're going to love this video. a wild ride down a mountain ridge and the best part you? are right there with the dare devil biker. you get that ride next. [ male announcer ] when fixed income experts... ♪ ...work with equity experts... who work with regional experts... that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collab

. >> you are talking about him being kgb and a high officer in the kgb. trying to do it in a sneaky way. >> his style is a different style of officer from special - special services. it's not a style of army officer. on attack is full military mite. it's not a style that he applies in eastern and south ukraine, or that he applies to put his person, vladimir putin's person as a president or prime minister or both in ukraine. >> this is creating a situation economically. we mentioned that the russian economy could be close to recession, the drank is saying 64 billion in assets fled the country in the first three months of the year and more of that is coming. won't this all hurt him? at some point won't his popularity, which soared as a result of what he did in crimea, won't it drop if the economy gets worst. >> first of all, i need to say technically russian industry is already in recession. from july last year, it's a negativary growth rate. so technically it's not six months to claim that there's already a recession. this is the one part. the second part,

he, of course, comes from the kgb.he was in east germany when it collapsed and he also saw -- you know, he had experiences there were the mob, if you like caller is trying to tear down the headquarters of the east german secret police. then, i think, you can also see after words in the 1990's he worked for the mayor of st. petersburg. i think it was quite clear from what mr. putin saw that that also was not a very clean election. i think that his attitude toward democracy, one has to look at his past and worry comes from. he is not a democrat in any western sense of the word, but russia is also not stalinist russia, even though some people describe it as such. but it is not that. the internet is pretty free. people can express different views. not on state-run to limit -- television. putin is not all-powerful in the way that probably stolen west. he is probably the single most powerful individual in the system which is not very transparent. it is a hybrid system. the groups but different people with whom he interacts a

"my father was a retired kgb colonel," she says. and his genes must be passed on to me. that's why i'm here. we must stand until the end." the top floor here was the new office of a ukrainian billionaire appointed governor by kiev to fix the economy and beyond rich by comparison. this man says moscow isn't behind this, it's mostly local complaints. "we've had a lot of negotiations with them," he says. "there are no people so committed here who would be prepared to sacrifice their lives." this rhetoric borders on bav vado, he says, adding the russian forces on the border are aimed at psychological pressure. this tiny pocket of grievances and whims sat at the heart of a massive struggle for europe's east, and so powerful far beyond its size. wolf, what you saw there of course looks in many ways local, almost parochial small in size. the real issue of course it how it feeds into the broader question. these tens of thousands of russian troops. no doubt, really, these protests across eastern ukrainian cities happen in a coordinated fashion. they seem to calm and then flare ag

putin is surrounded by a bunch of soviet era former kgb guys who look at the world in a paranoid way. i think they look legitimately from their perspective legitimately consider the internet an attempt by the united states to dominate the world culture. that's why he is taking steps to reign in the internet in russia. particularly the social networks because he views them as a channel of communication for dissidence and his political opponents that they haven't clamped up. if your political opponent of putin in russia, you cannot have access to television. so you are relying upon the internet to get your message out and he is trying to clamp down on that. >> there is a law just passed last week, i think, that all the servers -- >> -- have to be in russia. >> and one of his closest aides his former deputy chief of staff. ceo of the state-run oil company, he and another putin crony forced out the president of the largest social network in the country. i think it's called viakontacte: it's like if president bush had said i want a couple of my buddies from texas to take over facebook or g

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given that the kgb may have been split up into a couple of different organizations, but never really reformed, given that the kgb was heavily involved in these types of active measures of operations, there is a tremendous institutional memory within russia today about how this was done during soviet days. unfortunately, we have stopped tracking these kinds of things in the u.s. government. in the 1980's when i was serving there, we had a soviet active measures working group, which collected not only our intelligence community but our dip -- not only our intelligence community, but our diplomatic community collected intelligence that related to ordinary propaganda as well as covert operations. studied andhat we declassify the information that we had analyzed. we disseminated it to other government agencies, editorial boards, to foreign governments in order to sensitize people of and the soviets were doing the very exposure of this type of activity was something that raise people's consciousness and enabled them to realize the degree to which their perceptions were being managed. probl

east sussex the hunts schools a man armed with automatic rifles still believed to be inside the former kgb headquarters buildings at the wired with explosives. it was just one of several buildings in the east to cease by protesters wanting a regional referendum on whether or not to claim independence from kiev in donetsk hunters upright sisters continue to

. >> vladimir putin is an ex-kgb officer, so there's a whole kind of shadowy world of these operatives, some of whom-- many of whom are now linked into business, some of whom have links with organized crime. uhm. so if you want to do a business deal, or you want to take someone out, you have access to people who can do it for you. >> moscow police are investigating a brutal attack on a correspondent with russia's kommersant newspaper. oleg kashin was fiercely beaten near his home and is now in.. >> [speaking russian]. >> mr. kashin currently in a very critical condition in- in an induced coma. >> one video from a cctv camera which actually captured the attack itself leaked into the internet on monday, the police have already strongly criticized.. >> the role of the journalist is to provide transparency, to tell what is really happening, to uncover the true story, to cut behind the propaganda, to cut behind the government line. so it's vital work, it's work that has to be done. >> [speaking russian]. >> whenever enterprising journalists are slain or silenced or drowned and marginalized,

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the former kgb headquarters in logan's was one of three government buildings see that sweet in eastern ukraine by protesters demanding a regional referendum on independence from kiev. sandbags and wooden crates were piled near the entrance of the building to defend it against police men with rifles could be seen to the broken windows about doesn't the man who seized the building on april six where they gained access to an arms cache acting injury affairs minister arsenal bob duff said the situation and moved on to internet would be resolved within the next forty eight hours to divide negotiations or by force the european union on april nine said russia ukraine united states and european union will hold a ministerial meeting next week to discuss the ukraine crisis when a top us diplomat told congress men and expectations are not high for a breakthrough we don't have high expectations for these talks but we do believe it is very important to keep that diplomatic door open. a spokesman for the protesters holding the building in logan's to talks on resolving the crisis were continuing the

east sussex the hunts schools a man armed with automatic rifles still believed to be inside the former kgb headquarters buildings at the wired with explosives. it was just one of several buildings in the east to cease by protesters wanting a regional referendum on whether or not to claim independence from kiev in donetsk hunters upright sisters continue to control the reach to administration building. but in the city of chief police managed to flush out the remaining active excitement on the us has accused russia for buckets as stuttering separatist unrest which many believe could be a pretext for a russian victory incursion into eastern ukraine. meanwhile ukraine's ambassador tonight to set his country is counting on the tenth of august to supply more lethal equipment to get cracking. tens of thousands of russian troops continue to amass on ukraine's eastern border the us navy destroyer group has entered the back seat as a sign of support ukraine. as you. island girl it's a us contract and he was sentenced to fifteen year prison term in two thousand and eleven to keep it in his attempt to

this factor when nondigital whole field of active measures, which was the kgb term of art referring to disinformation, forgeries and covert political influence operations. mds involved all sorts of things such as provocations, front organizations of influence placed in foreign newspaper heiress, and foreign parliaments and foreign governments. there were a number, given that the kgb may have been split up into a couple of different organizations, but never really reform and given that the kgb was heavily involved in these types of active managers of operations, there's a tremendous institutional memory but then russia today about how this was done during soviet days. unfortunately, we have stopped traffic of these kinds of things in the u.s. government. in the 80s, when i was serving there, we had a soviet active measures working group, which collected were not only our intelligence community, better diplomatic community collected information about soviet disinformation themes and how they were related both to covert influence operations and to ordinary propaganda. we studied what we h

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his question to the former kgb colonel, does his nation spy on its citizens like the u.s. does? "we do it, but we don't allow ourselves such a massive come out of control scale." "we don't have the necessary technical means and the funds as the u.s. does. our special services or under strict control by the government and society." very interesting stuff. putin taking the opportunity to dig into president obama. this cross media cold war taking place as to leaders at their top table mats set for another round of talks. vrov oury kerry and la are meeting. the decision on new sanctions will be made after the meeting. a list of potential targets has been prepared. ukraine --hat runs some of these individuals get sanctioned. that would have an impact. we should be much more public in what we are doing in terms of the price we are costing the russian people. his own personal wealth. we want to make putin and his policies more historic. vladimir putin enjoys a popularity rating of 75%. let's talk our spirit we have the latest from the new york auto show, including an up close look at t

menher hot spot, armed continue to occupy the security , the successorng to the kgb.krainian authorities said they were holding 60 hostages. all but 4 have been released. negotiations continue. you have another big city with armed men still holding the parliament. talks are underway there as well. who is to blame? that is the big question. the u.s. says russia. clear that russian special forces and agents have been the catalyst behind the chaos of the last 20 four hours. some have even been arrested and exposed. must be thelear reality that the united states and our allies will not hesitate to use 21st-century tools to hold russia accountable for 19th-century behavior. withindebate continues the ukraine itself. a fight broke out in parliament yesterday. the leader of the communist party at the podium. he was blaming the party in power for creating this situation, reminding them that they seized and occupied government buildings in the west of the country in the run-up to taking power, forcing the ousted president's hand. that is what we are seeing in the east and yet

partly the remnants of the kgb. what is their position within the battle that is happening on the borders? >> russian aims in ukraine are not territorial expansion, but fomenting unrest inside of ukraine and challenging the legitimacy of the government in kiev and destabilizing the government ahead of the elections. >> we're talking about the ukrainian elections. a lot of this will be ironed out in the democratic process. >> may 25, when they have their preidential elections, is when they decide what their future direction will be. until then, i think russia will let the ukrainians do their work for them. let them continue and see how bad this can get. this can just prop them up. it will not devolve into more deterioration. >> the u.s. wrote its own check today. jack lew is signing off on a $1 billion loan guarantee to ukraine. he did not shy away from more russian sanctions. >> i made it clear to them, including the russian finance minister, that the united states will continue its assault on russia for its illegit

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. -- givene a number of that the kgb may have been split up into a couple of different organizations but never really reformed, given that the kgb was heavily involved in these types ofactive measures operations, there is a tremendous institutional memory within russia today about how this was done during soviet days . unfortunately we have stopped tracking these kinds of things in the u.s. government. in the 80's, when i was serving there, we had a soviet active notures working group which only our intelligence community, but also our diplomatic community collected information about soviet disinformation themes and how they were related oath to covert influence operations and to ordinary propaganda. upstudied what we had picked . we declassified information which we had analyzed. we disseminated it to other government agencies, to editorial boards, to foreign governments, in order to sensitize people of what the soviets were doing. i simply ask, how do you know realityperceiving correctly if you don't know how your perceptions can be managed by any number of actors, friends or foes.

putin, former kgb agent, many punispundits say they know whatl happen next because they know how he operates. >> thank you. plenty more still ahead on the news hour including. [ explosion ] >> that syrian boy survives this blast only to be killed in a mortar attack a few months later. we speak to his parents about the agony of war. >>> and keeping mt. everest for climbing. and in sport, the sacking of david moyes. that is still to come. >> an asian government said it's going to a team of independent investigators to probe into how the flight 370 went missing. the underwater drone scanning the ocean of the plane has yet to find anything. a bit of plastic sheeting that has washed ashore has also not been identified as a piece of debris of the jet. >> i can confirm that we are increasing the assets available for deep-sea search. >> now the nepal's government has deneed that mountain guides have gone on strike. since then sherpas have demanded better bay for their risky work. we have the report from katman katmandu. >> reporter: a city stream of mourners. friends and family are in shock, unable

but kgb is good at looking like their soul is on their sleeve, and he learned quickly. it didn't take too long to pick up on it, but putin is a scam artist. he's very good at that. >> you have to understand what you're dealing with. now he knows what he's dealing with. what george bush said is what we have been getting all these analysis. who was vladimir putin? every time america looks forward, he looks at it as a threat. what is good for us is bad for him. we try to tell him that's not the way. he doesn't understand it. i will say this. we won't be able to change his mind. that's who we're dealing with, and understand the only thing he's going to pay attention to it is confrontation, and the only thing is going to stop him is to let him know we're not going to move. it was fascinating to learn that eisenhower loved to pant, grant loved to paint, and jimmy carter loved to paint. i would never want to paint. it seems so boring. >> not only that. painting can be -- it's a private hobby in some ways, but to have the confidence and the courage to basically open up an entir

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circumstancet one, igor sechen, who is also referred to as darth vader for ruthless tactics as a form ter kgb officer. the rye vens in eastern ukraine continues unabated. they beat protesters with baseball bats in donetsk while others have held international observers captive in slovyansk for four days. a mayor was shot and wounded. speaking in the philippines, president obama said the sanctions were not meant to hit putin personally but a cal greatt brated effort to get russia to change its behavior. >> we don't know yet whether it's going to work. >> that's why the next phase if, in fact, we saw further russian aggression towards ukraine could be sectoral sanctions, less narrowly targeted, addressing sectors like banking or the defense industry. >> russia's foreign ministry called the new sanctions disgusting and meaningless, vowing a response from moscow would be felt painfully in washington, d.c. for more, we are joined from philadelphia by greg satel who serves as a forbes contributor. he lived nearly fourteen years as ceo of kcp publishing which overseas publishing in ukraine and publis

. >> on the side of the border, a senior member of what they still call the kgb here, took us up a watch hour tower, to find out what he said are recently endivorced sniper position. he strongly refuted what he called the black propaganda, being spread. >> it is a myth. ammunition, drugs and human trafficking. that case when the ukrainians seed bullets coming from here was laughable. it was a set one the cameras there ready to roll. it was just a provocation. this farmer exports apples to the middle east, and much of the equipment has to be imported. >> i'm not sure what is causing the delays but some of our partners are already demanding 100% advance payments. due to the troubles in ukraine and that's a problem for us. back with more from europe, let's go back to darren. >> lauren, thank you. now divers in south korea have retrieved 171 bodies of the wreck of a ferry disaster. rescue teams are still searching for 130 still missing and believe trapped. the son juan high school has been a shrine is to the dead. students have returned for the first time, since a ferry accident took so many

do you think putin's kgb guys would dare do something like that?d what a weak leader barack obama is. >> i should just stop because a picture says a thousand words. watch. which one? which one do you want leading your country? >> i'm going with the bike. i'm going to go with the bike. >> you like the shirtless guy holding the rifle. >> that was not russia today, that was fox news. i know i don't have to tell you it was a completely different story over on left-leaning msnbc. listen to ed schultz from last month. >> president obama, i think, is playing this very close to the vest. i think the president is playing it exactly right. he has to. he's not jumping to any conclusions or jumping on the gun or anything like that. he's using diplomacy and sanctions and exhausting, i think, every diplomatic effort. it's the right thing to do. >> so there's red news, there's blue news and then there's the actual news. i've invited former state department spokesman jamie rubin here to examine the propaganda about both leaders and get at the facts. welcome, jamie

>> reporter: that bit of political theater gave the former kgb officer a chance to score propaganda pointstin boast thad while moscow of course engages in surveillance it is limited and quote strictly regulated by law. >> translator: so our special forces can use special equipment as they intercept phone calls to follow someone online. you have to get court permission to stalk a particular person. we don't have a mass system of such interception. >> reporter: of course the u.s. surveillance effort that's obama now wants to rein in also follow the law. it's hard to miss the irony. snowden allowing putin to pose as a champion of law as he's threatening eastern ukraine after flouting international law by invading crimea. snowden's disclosures allowed the guardian and "washington post" win put zur prizes this week. those papers broke important news while relying on snowden's leaks. but his stunt with putin today is a stark reminder that their source has cozied up to the russian regime. bret? >> howard, thank you. >>> the russian leader was also asked a question about what president obama would

your country that would alarm lots of people not just lieutenant colonel who never made colonel in the kgb? >> thank you. maybe i will pick up. i think there was a second question right here. >> there are probably about three different scenarios in ukraine right now. one is that somehow miraculously mr. putin will listen to joe biden and pull the little green men and the russians back to russia liberate the crimea and will go to status quo. i personally will believe in santa claus beforeibility in that. secondly, that they occupy eastern ukraine and then force some kind of what they call federalization. third, they will occupy all the way to the niper river and then go in the south and hook up to transnistra and fourth scenario that pretty much all of ukraine is going to be occupied. what are the implications of these scenarios for russia? re these -- is such a -- are these developments going to change the nature of the russian state and if yes how? and how sit going to change the relationship between russia and europe and the rest of the world? thank you. > thank you. >> for the attitude

melissa: putin-less kgb, i don't think even the russians believed him when he said that.edibly well scripted, this was a wonderful production with snowden getting piped in with his well-crafted preamble of a question. entertaining at the very least. >> yeah, if nothing else. >> how much was he paid to do this, and how much was snowedden paid to compromise -- snowden pause to compromise -- paid to compromise the intelligence of the united states in first place. this proves it. melissa: everything that went on during the olympics? >> yeah, exactly. we saw everybody getting hacked on their mobile phones, their laptops the second they pulled them out. there was a lot of concern about surveillance in general, i think it happens because russia's afraid of dissenters, we know that's happening. melissa: they admitted curl to during the olympics there were video cameras in some of the athletes' showers. >> they didn't seem to be hiding the fact they were watching people, so i don't think anyone is going to believe him when he makes this statement. he, actually, is really slinging

. >> quickly, putin's an old kgb agent, fond of appearing in his own propaganda as a bare-chested tiger-hunting hockey. we laugh at it in this country. does it work over there. >> it doesn't matter if you laugh. putin doesn't care. he cares about his political base. and the idea is here's our guy, he's strong, he's macho, knows how to do things. and he is the image of a new russia. mussolini liked to show his muscles as well. >> interesting. leon aron, thank you. wolf blitzer here with a prevuf "the situation room." you have breaking news in your show. the video surfacing of a high-level al qaeda meeting in yemen. what more do we know? >> barbara starr broke that story yesterday in "the situation room." it's amazing video. these are 100 al qaeda terrorists, training, including the number two al qaeda leader, all out there, high definition video. this is good quality video, posted on youtube. the question, did the u.s. intelligence community really know about this? if they did know about it, why weren't drones sent to strike some terrorists which the obama administration does a lot of the drone

this kgb, they kill us in millions. distant or indifferent to what is going on over there. >> what do you think the american government shut do? >> well, i think obama should go down as a churchill not as a chamberlain. >> a churchill, not as a chamberlain. strong opinions there. nina, you obviously mean so much to the ukrainian-american just based on your great grandfather's leg agosy. a lot of them talked about that legacy. he was on both sides of this debate because he did initially support stalin's purges, including in ukraine, but then later he denounced that and was seen as a defender of ukrainians. what would you say to that community right now? >> well, i would apologize to them. i continue to apologize for russia for years now because i do think that putin's behavior has not been acceptable and not of a civilized country. i mean, he is increasingly acting like a rogue state leashed, and i think that requires an apology, and since i do carry that name, i feel like it is my job to say that i am sorry and i hope,

i think one of the many tragedies of the crisis is he surrounds himself by hard-liner kgb guys and the realists have been eclipsed. i think the foreignfinancial minister may say i want ukraine, too, but we'll lose the economy. >> reporter: you don't think he's just choosing to ignore it or you think the information isn't getting to him? >> look, i don't know. i've met mr. putin a lot of times. she a very emotional guy. i think he knows what he wants. he's eher hearing it or not hearing it in one ear and out of the other or maybe everybody's too scared to go to the godfather and say this is not such a good idea. i don't knowhich way but sooner or later he'll get the message. >> woodruff: meanwhile the reports about russian aircraft over ukrainian airspace in the last 24 hours, russian troops close to the border, you know, are we looking at a situation that could become a hot war? >> this is scary stuff. right now, i would be surprised ifthere were a hot war. mr. putin still has a hot card which is invade from below, to start to get activist russians in eastern ukraine to take cities and